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I have been a member of the NMA (National Motorists Association) since their inception, when they were fighting to repeal the 55MNSL and they succeeded, in case you haven't noticed. The NMA is the ONLY drivers' advocacy we have and it amazes me how many driving and riding enthusiasts don't belong and support their efforts. By being a member, you help your own cause. Give them a look see at motorists.org. Then put your money where your right hand and right foot are.

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So.....you propose and support NO SPEED LIMITS......Go as fxxken fast as you want.
The speed limits are for others!
Speed limits don't seem to matter.....everyone goes 10-20 over anyway........and you want to go 30-40 over.....
Where does it end? I guess you could go on the autoban and do 150 or so.
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So.....you propose and support NO SPEED LIMITS......Go as fxxken fast as you want.
The speed limits are for others!
Speed limits don't seem to matter.....everyone goes 10-20 over anyway........and you want to go 30-40 over.....
Where does it end? I guess you could go on the autoban and do 150 or so.
What do you want???????????????
Remember Vucan, you started this by writing far more than you know. So let's take this one of your uninformed points at a time...
1. Did I say I support no speed limits? NO I DID NOT! What I do support are speeds established scientifically at the 85th percentile, as they should be according to the federal Manual for Uniform Traffic Control Devices.
2. I have been on the Autobahn and apparently you have not. My speed in the unmarked sections (yes, there are those with limits) was usually 85 to 90 mph. I was passing about 2/3 of the traffic - small cars and trucks - and 1/3 was passing me. I was a hell of a lot safer there than on our Interstates because lane discipline is strictly enforced and drivers can have NOTHING in their hands but the wheel. And both hands must be on the wheel. Compare that to here and maybe how you drive.
3. What do I want? I want it to be here like it is in Germany where you must hire an instructor and it takes 2 to 4 months to get a license. Where everyone drives a car no more than 5 years old - there are no used car lots. Repressive? Maybe, but the trade off is good drivers / riders and good vehicles that can be operated well at higher speeds.
Next time, be certain of what you say/write before spouting off with such invective. I hope you don't vote.

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I forgot to mention that when speed limits are raised, accident and death rates go down. The 55MNSL actually increased the death rate - I repeat RATE. The accident and death rates on the Autobahn are much less than on our Interstates. It's not hard to look all this up. That is, if you'd rather not blurt out unfounded opinions.

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Remember Vucan, you started this by writing far more than you know. So let's take this one of your uninformed points at a time...
1. Did I say I support no speed limits? NO I DID NOT! What I do support are speeds established scientifically at the 85th percentile, as they should be according to the federal Manual for Uniform Traffic Control Devices.
2. I have been on the Autobahn and apparently you have not. My speed in the unmarked sections (yes, there are those with limits) was usually 85 to 90 mph. I was passing about 2/3 of the traffic - small cars and trucks - and 1/3 was passing me. I was a hell of a lot safer there than on our Interstates because lane discipline is strictly enforced and drivers can have NOTHING in their hands but the wheel. And both hands must be on the wheel. Compare that to here and maybe how you drive.
3. What do I want? I want it to be here like it is in Germany where you must hire an instructor and it takes 2 to 4 months to get a license. Where everyone drives a car no more than 5 years old - there are no used car lots. Repressive? Maybe, but the trade off is good drivers / riders and good vehicles that can be operated well at higher speeds.
Next time, be certain of what you say/write before spouting off with such invective. I hope you don't vote.
Well I sure won't vote for Obama.
If you like the Autoban so much.....goodbye.

You just don't have a clue on how I drive/ride.
This isn't Germany.....we have a lot of total axxholes driving.... it's not going to ever change.
Go as fast as you want....hope you get a lot of tickets.

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Well I sure won't vote for Obama.
If you like the Autoban so much.....goodbye.

You just don't have a clue on how I drive/ride.
This isn't Germany.....we have a lot of total axxholes driving.... it's not going to ever change.
Go as fast as you want....hope you get a lot of tickets.
In that case, vote and vote often. That dufus has got to go. / Yes, I enjoyed my travels on the Autobahn and all of Europe around the Alps, but those countries are too socialistic for me. Things aren't great here, but they are far worse in Europe politically. / You were making assumptions about me, so I just returned the favor. Touche. / I agree that we have a lot of incompetent drivers and that's why I like the way its done in Germany. / Yes, I may drive fast, but only where its permissible. / It would behoove you to just stick to facts and not state brash opinions and assumptions. Or please go back to that other forum where flaming is considered cool.

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So.....you propose and support NO SPEED LIMITS......Go as fxxken fast as you want.
The speed limits are for others!
Speed limits don't seem to matter.....everyone goes 10-20 over anyway........and you want to go 30-40 over.....
Where does it end? I guess you could go on the autoban and do 150 or so.
That's exactly the point. Their people are taught to drive and can do so without a nanny around to scold them.

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The whole problem on our country's freeways is that lane discipline is neither taught nor enforced. It's just too simple a concept for most drivers to understand to keep to the right unless you are passing slower traffic! So what we end up with is people weaving thru traffic dangerously while Dufuses hang out in the left lane chatting and texting on their iphone.
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