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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 08-11-2012, 10:42 AM Thread Starter
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..Had a close call the other day on my new 2011 XR. Going about 40 mph, traveling east on two lane road. From a cross street to my right, a Staples delivery truck pulls out in front of me trying to get into the west lane. I apply both brakes and lock up the rear; let off the rear brake to stop the slide and get ready to Tbone the truck. He pulls up a few feet within a second and i was able to stear around the ass end of the truck. Don't ask me how i missed him; probably God, i don't know.

The guy in the truck said he never saw or heard me unitl it was too late.

I used to be pissed when a loud ass Harley would pass me in my car on the highway. Not no more. I'm pitching these lawn mower quiet mufflers on my Victory. I hope those reading this will give this some thought and stay alive.

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..Had a close call the other day on my new 2011 XR. Going about 40 mph, traveling east on two lane road. From a cross street to my right, a Staples delivery truck pulls out in front of me trying to get into the west lane. I apply both brakes and lock up the rear; let off the rear brake to stop the slide and get ready to Tbone the truck. He pulls up a few feet within a second and i was able to stear around the ass end of the truck. Don't ask me how i missed him; probably God, i don't know.

The guy in the truck said he never saw or heard me unitl it was too late.

I used to be pissed when a loud ass Harley would pass me in my car on the highway. Not no more. I'm pitching these lawn mower quiet mufflers on my Victory. I hope those reading this will give this some thought and stay alive.
Glad you had some riding skill and made it out fine. Loud pipes do save lives.
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Hate to be a naysayer for loud pipes but in the scenario that you described, even loud pipes most lkely would not have made a difference. He was ahead of you.... the sound from the exhaust projects behind you and at 40MPH, that sound would not have reached him. The value of loud pipes when it comes to saving lives is nill. Even emergency vehicles with sirens and horns that are projected FORWARD have a hard time penetrating distractions and soundproofing. This has been excacerbated by cell phones, music, HVAC systems, dvd's etc and the better soundproofng that is used in today's vehicles has made being on the road a very dangerous place.

The best way to help this is to have a pulsing headlamp and/or aux lighting....... Visual stimulation it more penetrating than any sound that comes out of your pipes.

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My two cents is..... anything to get their God damn attention!!! Loud pipes, air horns, flare guns.... whatever. I am a firm believer that loud pipes do save lives... maybe not in this instance, but if you are next to a cager in his blind spot, they help for sure.
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I could probably sit here and come up with a million instances BTW, but that one just popped into my head.
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So, you weren't paying attention to what was going on around you and narrowly escaped harm. BTW, glad you escaped said harm.

Instead of blaming an inantimate object, like a quiet muffler (that isn't all that quiet for factory), you were counting on someone else to keep you alive. It almost cost you.
Survivors say the same thing about trains and 18 wheelers. "I didn't see or hear it", Well, Princess, it don't take a genius to figure out where a train is going to show up and the crossing arms weren't there to annoy you.

Learn something from that and pay better attention. Get the BS Hardley train of thought out of your head. Victory guys bash HD every chance they get and for the most part, they are just as lame in every aspect of motorcyling.

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Loud pipes might help in certain situations. I have D&D's which are not the loudest pipes, but are much louder than stock mufflers, and are as loud as I am willing to go. I also have bright HID lights on, and I do have an air horn. Do I still get cut off once in a while by someone not paying attention? Yes, I do. Moral of my post is, do the best you can to be more visible, but don't ever think you're safe from the sleepy, distracted, idiotic drivers whom you share the road with.

One thing I try to always keep in my mind, is to maintain more than one escape route from any position I find myself. Braking can be good, but when you have one single obstacle cutting your path, like a truck in your case, it's usually better to change your path of travel and avoid them than try to stop without hitting them.

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Easy on that blaming him lostintexas... I just got t boned by a cager and there was nothing I could have done about it... he cut through stopped traffic and the instant he was in sight was the moment of impact. All the op is sayin is that loud pipes annoy people... which means they can hear us... maybe not all the time, but a lot
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Speed is the cause of most motorcycle accidents. If you were going any faster this would have been more than a cautionary tale.
On the highway and city streets it is survival of the biggest.
We have to watch our speed because we never know when somebody bigger than you is going take your lane. Loud pipes aren't the answer paying attention and riding defensively is the answer.

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I hate that ridiculous statement. Loud pipes mean shit.

I've had the loudest exhaust you can imagine, especially on my old GSX-R... didn't stop a single person from trying to take my lane.

People who aren't paying attention won't be paying attention to your exhaust, especially because IF they hear it, they don't know where it's coming from anyway. People have a hard enough time hearing emergency vehicles and train horns... do you really think a set of pipes will save your life?

Sure, adding anything that could help in the situation is wise... but don't rely on it. Rely on training and learning how to AVOID these situations by being more aware, and training that will teach you how to handle the situation should it arise and become unavoidable.

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