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post #1 of 34 (permalink) Old 08-13-2012, 05:16 AM Thread Starter
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Bikes are coming with more and more electronically controlled features. Some like ABS, I think are fantastic. Others like a half dozen traction modes, I think are overkill. Why make a bike so powerful that you have to electronically limit the power so that the tires will hook up anyway?

Anyway, while I was out running around WV last weekend, I chased down a ZX-14 and we had a long, spirited ride through about 40 miles of twisties together.

So as it happens, I took a bunch of old MC magazines I wanted to read and toss and one of them had a review of the ZX-14. After following one around for a bit I thought it worth reviewing with an after ride beverage or three. Well, of course it is a wonderful, powerful sport-tourer, but what I found interesting was that it could be switched into a "lean" mode.

This hit me as one of those "duh, why didn't I think of that" features. If you've ever been out in no man's land with the gas gauge quickly approaching "E", being able to set the bike to run as efficiently as possible would really be useful feature. And to make it so with the press of a button, on the fly, is the way it should work.

Problem is, most bikes (especially big twins) come really lean out of the box. I guess it would be up to an aftermarket device to permit switching between a FI power mode map and FI gas sipper mode map.




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The power commander v allows you to use two different maps and switch between them with a simple two position switch.


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I worry that all the new electronic gadgetry is just more stuff to fail. Stuff that is not user servicable either.

Look at the Diavel. Driving modes, traction control.... kinda takes the 'hooligan' out of a 'hooligan bike', doesn't it?

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Coming off a ZX-10R I can tell you that some of those electronics like the traction systems you mentioned make the bike much more user friendly, and easier to manage when your trying to put down 165hp in a bike that weighs almost 300lbs less. Trust me leaned over deep in a corner or downshifting into a tight hairpin things like a slipper clutch and a computer that will control wheel spin are your friend and you use them. Its just the way of the future especially for sport bikes. I would like to have had a chance with the power features. I cant tell you how many times I would of loved to limited the power the bike was putting out on a small tight track so I could of been more aggressive.
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Coming off a ZX-10R I can tell you that some of those electronics like the traction systems you mentioned make the bike much more user friendly, and easier to manage when your trying to put down 165hp in a bike that weighs almost 300lbs less. Trust me leaned over deep in a corner or downshifting into a tight hairpin things like a slipper clutch and a computer that will control wheel spin are your friend and you use them. Its just the way of the future especially for sport bikes. I would like to have had a chance with the power features. I cant tell you how many times I would of loved to limited the power the bike was putting out on a small tight track so I could of been more aggressive.
So why pay extra for such a monster engine? You can stomp on a 600 at the apex and it will still hit 160 or better. I'm with HC, not because I worry about electronic failures as much as I think the bike should respond to my inputs...except when I screw up braking. Then I want ABS to save my bacon.




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What if I want to lock a wheel or steer with the throttle/drift?

Electronic solutions to a personnel problem.

The Hammer out-stopped the Diavel in one test WITHOUT ABS. Imagine that...



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So why pay extra for such a monster engine?
For the drivability and torque. 600s are busy at speed and rangy-bangy with narrower powerbands. The joy of a liter bike is easy to see day to day.



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For the drivability and torque. 600s are busy at speed and rangy-bangy with narrower powerbands. The joy of a liter bike is easy to see day to day.



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Not quite a liter bike but my toy is an 03 Honda 919. Not one single unnecessary gauge. Turns 11.03 easily on regular gas. Gets 50 mpg and will canyon run with the best of them ( talking about average riders like myself). great low and mid range, not so great way up in high revs.
Perfect second bike for short rides in my very hilly twisty county. Longer rides are for the 11 Xc.
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For the drivability and torque. 600s are busy at speed and rangy-bangy with narrower powerbands. The joy of a liter bike is easy to see day to day.
Yeah, but we're talking about canyon strafing crotch rockets here. I've got a big honking inline and I can get on it hard coming out of corners and it has yet to put me on my ass. And it has zero traction control. As the other fella said, this TC business is more the domain of feather weight bikes with rocket engines. If I needed a bike like that, I'd rather have a real featherweight with an engine that doesn't have to be electronically limited to save me from myself. I'd use the savings for tires and beer.




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Not quite a liter bike but my toy is an 03 Honda 919. Not one single unnecessary gauge. Turns 11.03 easily on regular gas. Gets 50 mpg and will canyon run with the best of them ( talking about average riders like myself). great low and mid range, not so great way up in high revs.
Perfect second bike for short rides in my very hilly twisty county. Longer rides are for the 11 Xc.
My son has a CBR 929 RR... I can't last 15 minutes on it, but it's freakin' WICKED.


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