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post #1 of 33 (permalink) Old 08-24-2012, 11:00 PM Thread Starter
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This is off subject of Victory motorbikes but as americans should not be ignored. What USADA is doing to Lance Armstrong is so un American. They seem to want to belive other cyclest that tested dirty and are telling how Lance did it without getting caught. If they knew how Lance did it without getting caught. How did they get caught. The man piss tested and passed now they want to belive here say. GIVE THE MAN BACK HIS TITLES AND LIFT YOUR BAN. He is an American and should be treated as such. Innocent untill PROVEN guilty.

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He was tested more than 500 times so either this is a total BS case or their drug testers,ndoctors, etc are the most incompetent people on the planet. Their proof Os testimony by a bunch of guys that tested positive and lied

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I completely agree...I was disgusted to wake up today and see this on the news. Some people will argue that he deserves it because they "believe" he was cheating...but the OP makes the only point that needs mentioning in this case...HE WAS NEVER PROVEN TO BE GUILTY.

As far as I am concerned, until he comes out and admits he cheated...or they can actually prove he did...he is innocent. Give him back his titles. This is just a sad day for the American way of life. Not to mention a slippery slope for regulation/justice. Apparently all that is needed now is for someone to accuse you and wham....you're guilty. The word of a cheater now carries more weight than the fact that he actually passed every single test he took.
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Exactly, they take the word of guys that have been caught cheating and offer them amnesty and the ability to continue racing if they say Lance cheated! This is a complete waste of our tax dollars and a witch hunt at best.
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What gets me is the amount of time it took for this whole process. Stripping him of races he won beginning in 1999! Ridiculous. Do I think he took PEDs? You bet! I think the sport has been tainted for years. The top riders like himself are at least on the same playing field because they all take them. Their doctors and team have become specialists in when to take them and how to hide it. Hopefully this helps clean up the sport. I hope it doesn't interfere with all the money he raises for cancer research.

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From what I've read, and I've followed cycling for decades and the possibility of him being a cheat has always been there, Lance is giving up the fight because he doesn't want the piles of evidence that they have against him to become public.

As for the tests, the best cheaters have always been just ahead of the tests. They are using things that they do not have test for (thats why that Balco drug was called "The Clear", because there was no test for it).

And while it is not proven, there are many studies that link testicular cancer and the use of different performance enhancing drugs. If someone were to look into it (and there are a couple of articles out that that do) and a link can be found between Lance's actions and his cancer, sadly it will affect his ability to raise funds for cancer.

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Yes, the USADA action is complete bullshit. Armstrong never tested positive for doping and they pursued him legally until he quit fighting. Essentially the USADA bullied their way to a victory and their activity is criminally abusive and sets a nasty standard of using heresay in lieu of actual testing, empirical evidence. It's too bad Armstrong quit the fight as this is something that should go to the supreme court.

Now, did Armstrong dope? Sure he did.

And so did every single serious rider who competed in the Tour de France during those days and it continues today.

When your livelihood depends on your athletic performance, you will use whatever means available to win. And if you don't, you're not trying hard enough.

We need to recognize that testing is a farce; athletes have used performance enhancing techniques, including drugs, for decades. Athletes should be educated on the effects to make informed decisions and guided to help them make the best decisions for their career as opposed to learning via locker room gurus.

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Another crazy point is that who will be getting the yellow jerseys? In 1999 the guy who got second was busted before for doping, Ullrich got second a couple of years and he was later busted for doping. Who knows, maybe the guy who finished near the end will be getting a yellow jersey!

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Imagine you are #2, and after all this time they come to congratulate you for now being the winner.

Talk about a hollow victory.

I would be insulted, and I'd tell them to kiss my arse.

I would love to see riders and fans boycott future events, but I know that is not likely to happen.

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This is off subject of Victory motorbikes but as americans should not be ignored. What USADA is doing to Lance Armstrong is so un American.
Actually, prosecuting a war on drugs is very American. I wouldn't confuse the idiotic policies our gov't is known to carry out with being honorable, moral, or even sensible however. But to say it's unAmerican would be technically incorrect. We are the world leaders in persecuting people for ingesting substances not on our govt's approved list.
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