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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 06-25-2015, 05:52 PM Thread Starter
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Finally got my '09 Vegas 8 ball on the road today. This thing is going to take some getting used to. I've owned nothing but sports bikes since I started riding about 10 years ago. I learned on a Honda shadow and tooled around on a couple HDs but this is the first cruiser I've owned.
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Comfortable as a lazy boy. Spent about 2 hours, 100 or so miles, on it today and I feel like I could have spent all day on it without any aches or pains.
It pulls like a freight train. Torque is there on idle, no waiting to rev for power.
Cons
Brakes. Looks like I'm getting close to needing new pads but this thing will definitely not stop on a dime.
Ground clearance. First turn from a stop sign and I was grinding the feeler on the peg.
Damn that transmission is noisey. Almost sounds like a baseball card in a bicycle spoke when going and it thuds when you shift.

I need to get used to the low red line on this thing. The engine speed I'm used to cruising at is above what this thing will spin at. Because of that I might have had it running a little on the hot side. After a little while it would start to backfire if I shut the throttle quickly. I'm not sureif iit's because I hadit running hot or because of the exhaust and intake without any computer work.
I also need to remember not to give it so much gas when taking off from a start. It pulls away from a stop at normal take off speeds without needing to gas it before the clutch is all the way released.
I split the miles. 50 or so solo and the rest with the wife on the back. She loves it. It's comfortable for her and she's not laying on my back when we're on it. I didn't notice her much back there but she's a pretty good passenger in general.

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EBC makes 100% better brake pads then stock
Remember front break first. Rear brake first will put you into a slide and you will crash.

Don't blip the throttle it will kill the motor

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+1 on the EBC pads, but get the HH. I put cheapy pads in the rear so it lessens the chance of a lock up.
Preload the shifter and you'll get smoother and quieter shifts.
I find that very little throttle movement is needed when shifting. Chopping the throttle many times results in decel popping.

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I use LYNDALLS pads, just ordered a set for the front of my Vegas.
Much better stopping power and feel though theyll never be in the superbike league.

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I now have EBC HH pads all around on XC, they do improve the braking feel and power....but don't expect miracles.
Learn to use the torque of the engine not the horsepower. I barley ever have to rev over 3500 rpms and I don't putt-putt on the bike.

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Thanks for the advice on the pads. I've used EBC pads before so I'll probably go with them. Never heard of Lyndalls before so I'm a little leery about them.
I'm not really concerned with the rear brake. From riding sports bikes I've become accustomed to using the front only 99% of the time. It's just a little strange for me to go from a bike that will lift the ass end under braking to a bike that feels like I'm trying to stop an 18 Wheeler Flintstones style.

I'm sure I'll get used to all the differences. I really do like the bike, it's just not what I'm used to. It's a nice change of pace.

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We all ride differently, don't we? PaiN hardly goes over 3500 RPM and I hardly go under it when working twisties. Corners are taken at @ 4K and pulling away the revs go to 5K many times. The 106 is a dual personality engine.

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This here is me sticking my nose where I have no business but... if you are not entirely unlike the many sportbike expats who now ride Vics then you probably looked around and said to yourself that there's more to riding than hugging the tank.

Since no one bike is all things to all men you have one that brings other pleasures to your experience but some things you took for granted are gone in the trade off.

The machine can be tweaked to recover some of what you feel is lost but really, it's the part between the seat and the handgrips that requires the most modification. The bike is what it is. If you dig its essence then develop a working relationship with its warts.

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These things don't start out especially competent, but most things are easily improved upon.

Brakes: Change out the fluid to a good synthetic DOT 4 like Valvoline. Get some sintered (HH) brake pads on it... and when it needs rotors there are some good choices in lighter/better rotors as well.

Handling/suspension: Better than OEM tires is easy enough. The rear shock pre-load can be made a bit stiffer and some good fork oil like Amsoil 'Shock Therapy' 10W will also help. Since the bike is obviously limited in cornering clearance, you will learn to ride gentle arcs instead on sharp angles. You can't go in deep and late apex these things... you have to plan a more smooth and conservative line... but you can do better through a twisty section than people think.

Not much you can do about the trans... it's loud. You'll get used to it. Keep the shift linkage well lubed and the clutch cable ends well greased and change the oil often... that's about all you can do.

Performance: This is something you can have if you want it. A decent airbox like S&S/Lloydz or Torque tubes, a good 2-1 pipe, a timing wheel, and Power Commander w/dyno-tune will have it running exponentially better, stronger, cooler, and it can rev higher too. You can add cams, compression, inches, turbo, supercharger... The limits are Lloyd's imagination and your wallet. www.lloydz.com

Comfort: Nothing like a good seat, and the bars are easily changed if you want. I know it's hard to get used to the feet-forward thing for you... but it will feel natural after a while.

Good luck with your new toy.

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All good advice H-C, but DOT4 brake fluid is not synthetic. DOT5 is syn fluid, good for racers but not advisable for street bikes.

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