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post #1 of 31 (permalink) Old 09-13-2015, 06:06 PM Thread Starter
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Can I remove my current narrow band 02 sensors and replace them with wide-band 02's and use one gauge? I think it would be a good addition to be able to monitor my air/fuel in real world conditions with a dash mounted air/fuel gauge. I don't want to drill and weld in a bung for the 02 that comes in the kits because I already have bungs in place from the factory.

Can this be done? I know I can remove one and install the kit 02 but that would monitor one cylinder.

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Don't take this the wrong way but, WHY? I DO understand why, but it's not an airplane or race bike. I've spend a large portion of my life monitoring gauges so I don't crash and die, I don't want to do it on my bike.
If you want to do it the right way, your gonna have to weld a bung into the crossover.

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I've never used a Dyno on this bike and probably never will. I read the plugs and use a "sniffer" to tell me the fuel/air. That's close enough. I will err on the side of rich and call it good. I could care less about fuel mileage, all I care about is fun mileage.

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Can I remove my current narrow band 02 sensors and replace them with wide-band 02's and use one gauge? I think it would be a good addition to be able to monitor my air/fuel in real world conditions with a dash mounted air/fuel gauge. I don't want to drill and weld in a bung for the 02 that comes in the kits because I already have bungs in place from the factory.

Can this be done? I know I can remove one and install the kit 02 but that would monitor one cylinder.
These guys have a dual channel unit it's a little down the page.
Daytona Twin Tec LLC - WEGO III Wide-Band Air/Fuel Ratio Tuning Aids

It's butt ugly and hardly a thing of beauty but I have a single channel unit from them and it works great and has been reliable.
I only stick on for tuning though. Maybe someone else makes one in a more visually pleasing package? Or perhaps it could be mounted in such a way as to obscure everything but the displays behind some lexan or something?
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Don't take this the wrong way but, WHY? I DO understand why, but it's not an airplane or race bike. I've spend a large portion of my life monitoring gauges so I don't crash and die, I don't want to do it on my bike.
If you want to do it the right way, your gonna have to weld a bung into the crossover.

I'm a KISS guy...
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I've never used a Dyno on this bike and probably never will. I read the plugs and use a "sniffer" to tell me the fuel/air. That's close enough. I will err on the side of rich and call it good. I could care less about fuel mileage, all I care about is fun mileage.
Because:

1. It's not hurting anything.

2. These kind of things fascinate me.

3. KISS applies it's a read only.

4. I'm never satisfied with "call it good" because you don't know if it is until you find out.

5. You do it for a living then by all means don't do it on your bike, has absolutely nothing to do with my bike.

6. People spew info they read somewhere else I want first hand info.

7. I want to.

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Yes you can. There are several options as well. If you just want to monitor AFR, you can get an Innovate 3891 dual WB with single gauge. There are other companies as well, but I have no experience with them. I run dual Innovate WB on my Ford Lightning.

On my XC I run autotune module with the Dynojet POD-300. The POD-300 displays throttle position, rpm and dual AFR; you can data log as well.

I'm like you, want to know what is going on with the bike at all times.

I attached a quick shot of the POD on the bike right after start up, so idle had not settled yet after warm up cycle.
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Yes you can. There are several options as well. If you just want to monitor AFR, you can get an Innovate 3891 dual WB with single gauge. There are other companies as well, but I have no experience with them. I run dual Innovate WB on my Ford Lightning.

On my XC I run autotune module with the Dynojet POD-300. The POD-300 displays throttle position, rpm and dual AFR; you can data log as well.

I'm like you, want to know what is going on with the bike at all times.

I attached a quick shot of the POD on the bike right after start up, so idle had not settled yet after warm up cycle.
That's cool but I don't have a Power Commander.

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Roger on the PC. With the VFC, just the wide bands would be money as it would allow you to tune each pot to get the best average (between the two WB) in the target AFR in a given range.

As you know the VFC can be adjusted much like a carb's fueling circuits through riding feel and reading plugs. Many carb guys have added WB to their tuning tools as well.

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Ordered this tonight from Amazon.

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Good system, have two of them on the truck.

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Good system, have two of them on the truck.
The plan is to install the wide band in the back cylinder because it's the one we always read about getting hot and I can't tune per cylinder anyway what I do to one affect both.

That's the logic anyway.

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