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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 08-22-2017, 07:39 AM Thread Starter
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Default Buddy Swapping his Vision for a BMW Bagger

I have a buddy who has ridden a Vision since they came out. He loves the bike, never had a bad word to say about it. I guess his last straw was trying to order some parts and Polaris kept dragging their feet on when the stuff would even be available. Warranty parts....

Said when he was in California he found a bike meet where he tested the new K1600B. I didn't even know they were on the floor yet but a handful of dealers have them. He said his was priced at 24K, but he got a 1K off for being a BMW car owner.

Said that bike is incredibly quick with no lag at all and extremely comfortable. He got it sight unseen from a West Coast dealer and its in transit now. He said the power is better than his Vision which he has the goodies on, and said the bike is at least if not a touch better for comfort than the Vision.

He said you hit the throttle and this thing just jets with no lag at all and said he can corner with it better than the Vision, and it feels very light. He said it comes with all the goodies for the 24K, he asked about the MSRP being 19,900 and was told they are not shipping the bare bones one yet. He also said they wouldn't budge on the price either. He called a couple other dealers around the country who have one and they won't budge either. All the same package for 24K.

He was actually looking at the Ultra with the M8 and was not impressed enough to swap the Vision. But he said the bagger impressed him so much he couldn't not buy it. He said the braking and front end are better than the Vic and he can rip corners better. He came strictly from a lifetime of HD when the Vision hit the market and upgraded a few years back. Said he paid about 4k more for the BMW than he did for the Vision.

He also said with the engine add ons to the Vic to beef it up place it right there with the pricing and he has no upgrades to do so figures its a wash. He has never owned a BMW prior and said he can see the hype now. He has a 2015 Vision with 18K on it and found a buyer for 9,500 so he's only coughing up about 12K. Dealership offered him 7K in trade is all so he is selling it to one of his employees.

I told him when it gets here to call me so I can take a spin. I've been eyeing this bike for 9 months now, and having had BMW's I have to admit I am a bit excited to check this thing out. The 2018 models are supposed to be shipping at 19.900, I am not sure what you get for the extra 4K, he doesn't either lol. Heated grips, seats, power ABS brakes, all standard. But he has cash to burn so he just did it.

If it is everything he says it is I may be the next one screaming around on one. Its certainly going to give the Japs and HD a run for the money. It priced about what a Magnum or loaded CCT was at and less than a loaded Indian. Will be interesting for sure.
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It appears that the footbeds are more akin to highway pegs because it looks like you cannot shift the gears or press the rear brake when your feet are on the footbeds. To perform either of these routine tasks, you have to put your feet back to the footpegs which are below (practically behind) you and not at all a comfortable long-distance riding position. Does anyone know if these observations are correct?

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A friend is a certified BMW MC wrench and told me, if I get one, hope that anything that goes wrong does it during the warranty cuz there ain't no cheap repairs and they are needlessly complex.
Another friend works for a company that sells extended warranties to car and bike mfrs and dealers and sez H-D tops the list for warranty claims, guess which bike is in second place? BMW.

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Have two friends that have owned BMWs and based on their experience, they are NOT inexpensive bikes to own/maintain.

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A friend is a certified BMW MC wrench and told me, if I get one, hope that anything that goes wrong does it during the warranty cuz there ain't no cheap repairs and they are needlessly complex.
Another friend works for a company that sells extended warranties to car and bike mfrs and dealers and sez H-D tops the list for warranty claims, guess which bike is in second place? BMW.
I have had a few of them. My last bike was a Bagger from 2004. When they stopped making that style I stopped riding them. Like any dealer...they can get you good. However even with the complex electronics, the BMW's are easy to work on as I am concerned. Especially if you have the factory diagnostic and repair SW like I have...lol

Changing fluids and tires are as easier and even some easier than Vics. They pull off sideways like a car in the rear. ABS units are ungodly if they go out though. But they are on other bikes and cars too. Its the electronics that spook people. But to me that's second nature.

But hey...its his money, and he has plenty. Maintenance isn't a worry with that guy. He has a few HD's all older ones he keeps pristine for local jaunts and the Vic he had for longer runs. He is close to my size too, bit bigger actually so I will wait and see how it sits me.

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My local BMW dealer has a K1600B(Bagger) demo on hand. I have been planning to go ride it since the dealership announced they'd be getting one, I might even do it this weekend. Like I've said before, I will not be keeping this Vic forever, in four or five more seasons I'll be getting another bike. There are very few motorcycles that have the power, handling, comfort, touring ability and good looks to replace my Vic XC. The K1600B is one of them and I'm going to ride it as soon as possible.

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If you suffer from ensomnia the man doing that video is sure to put you to sleep. At the halfway point I had to fast forward till the end. I hope this BMW looks better in person because so far the still pictures and the video of it on the road don't do anything for me. The new Yamaha, yes sir, that has my interest. This K1600B, no thank you. I'm sure it's a delight to ride, but like the Vision I'm not the one this was made for.
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If you suffer from ensomnia the man doing that video is sure to put you to sleep. At the halfway point I had to fast forward till the end. I hope this BMW looks better in person because so far the still pictures and the video of it on the road don't do anything for me. The new Yamaha, yes sir, that has my interest. This K1600B, no thank you. I'm sure it's a delight to ride, but like the Vision I'm not the one this was made for.
Without a doubt I have my eye on the new Yamaha Transcontinental .....but I'm not going for a full luggaged, fully wrapped touring bike. I am hoping that Yamaha releases a stripped down "Bagger" version of this bike in the next few years. Anyway, with the new releases from Indian, BWM and Yamaha things are looking more promising when it does comes time to replace the Vic...
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If you suffer from ensomnia the man doing that video is sure to put you to sleep. At the halfway point I had to fast forward till the end. I hope this BMW looks better in person because so far the still pictures and the video of it on the road don't do anything for me. The new Yamaha, yes sir, that has my interest. This K1600B, no thank you. I'm sure it's a delight to ride, but like the Vision I'm not the one this was made for.
If I get one I will not be getting rid of the KP. That bike is way too fun to ride. I think the Beemer looks like a big black bulldog myself.

I almost went to look at a Guzzi Flying Fortress too until I saw one in person, so good point. BUT even from pics, if I had the choice of looks next to a Vision...I'd grab the BMW. I have not been on a BMW yet where I had cramped in feeling issues. But the CC is actually a great fit too and a great ride. I almost bought one before they dropped the line.

I was talking to a well known member recently from the other site who had his bike in the shop for 7 weeks on a warranty issue recently, got it back and something else went wrong. He traded it in. Was the same with the Vision buddy. Under warranty and in the shop for weeks waiting for parts. Even before they dropped the bikes, had it not been for Randys...it would have taken over 8 weeks to get a crank sensor on my bike. Polaris had NONE in stock this time last year and had no idea when they were getting more. That was a tad unnerving as they were still in business and that part is critical to the bike.

Now, HD and BMW release numbers of production, warranty info can be found etc. Polaris refuses to do that, so we have no real idea how many bikes actually went in for warranty over the 18 years. But my guess is....it may not be as low as some people make it out to be.

But that new Yammie is turning heads everywhere thats for sure. But unless my health turns, I have no plans on giving my Pin up. But I do like BMW's...and I still like Harleys. Just not willing to pay the high price for a bike that has so few USA parts on it.
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I was talking to a well known member recently from the other site who had his bike in the shop for 7 weeks on a warranty issue recently, got it back and something else went wrong. He traded it in. Was the same with the Vision buddy. Under warranty and in the shop for weeks waiting for parts. Even before they dropped the bikes, had it not been for Randys...it would have taken over 8 weeks to get a crank sensor on my bike. Polaris had NONE in stock this time last year and had no idea when they were getting more. That was a tad unnerving as they were still in business and that part is critical to the bike.
This is every Victory owners nightmare right now, even for those that do their own work. Victory never had a great parts chain when they were in business, with the closing its going to be a real pain in the ass. The worst case scenario is, what happens if a Victory has a serious break down while out touring, maybe many hundreds of miles from home base Sparse parts and sparser dealers.... this could be a major problem. As good as mine runs, when I'm out touring its with my finger-crossed, just hoping it stays rock solid until I'm done with it.

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