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post #1 of 103 (permalink) Old 09-18-2017, 11:37 PM Thread Starter
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I know Polaris said their goal was to close Victory within 18 months of making the announcement they murdered Victory Motorcycles back in Jan of 2017. Yes, of course they stopped making new Victory bikes right away. And in the time since the announcement Polaris has done their best to shove anything and everything 'Victory' out of every Polaris warehouse. As well as bend over as many Victory dealers as possible.

"When are you going to trade that Victory in on an Indian?" I've heard at too many dealers. My standard answer is: "Never, never again will anything Polaris be on my potential new motorcycle list." "Yea, I here that a lot from Victory owners." "I'll bet you do."

So after all the legal issues involved with closing the brand are dealt with, my question is: When do you think Polaris Industries will officially close the (legal) books on the Victory Motorcycles brand?

My guess: July 4, 2018 thereby giving the brand a life span of 20 years from the official starting date of production to it's ultimate demise.

What are your thoughts?

The lies about parts being available for 10 years doesn't mean the 'brand' hasn't officially been closed. So I didn't factor any parts lip service into my ultimate demise guesstimate.
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This is a very good question I hope we can find the answer to.

I'm thinking I read somewhere the dealerships were legally obligated for one year from the date Polaris screwed us all, er, announced the closing of Victory.

With the fire sales of the bikes and accessories; one wonders what Polaris plans to do when parts are needed since they are obligated for 10 years. I'm guessing they will continue to make available certain parts like belts and what their internal numbers show as frequent wear parts but the rest will simply be labeled discontinued thus screwing us again.

Don't wreck the bike expecting any insurance company to fix it with new parts. They won't be available. Many things over 10 years old is already unavailable for anything older than a 2008.

Kurbs is saying he heard they have a "nice surprise" for us but after what Polaris has done; I'm not holding my breath for anything truly significant. I guess I'm still in shock that a motor company would go through all the trouble to build one of the best production motorcycles around then seemingly on a whim; kill it like it was nothing when so many people had invested so much into helping the brand succeed and I'm not talking about customers; I'm talking about aftermarket parts makers, brand mechanics, and dealerships.

If I ever get the chance to tell Scott Wine what I think of their decision to shutter Victory; his ears will be bleeding red.
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I'd say from the parts availability to clearing out the current accessory inventory it won't be much later than the new year.

Since they have continued to blow stuff out the door in what looks like a attempt to bury the name faster, they will at most release a Vic type bike under the Injun name in the future.

Now, if they released one with a 50 MM cannon on the front instead of a horn and called it the Apache..I may consider an Injun product..lol

Since they have very little left as far as accessories and parts are already a PITA, it is also reasonable to think that parts will only be available before long for warranty issues only within a couple years.

Some have said that if they introduce a newer high powered Vic engine under Indian they would buy one. Not me. It will take more time than I have on Earth to gain my trust back from Polaris that they will remain a motorcycle maker without dumping an entire product line when they lose a few bucks.

Harley will most likely bury Injuns within 5 years anyway if they continue their [email protected] and find a way to drop the costs to the public. Why Polaris dropped them vs. having Injun as a 'premium' brand and keeping Vics as a working mans brand I'll never know. But having both in the showroom could have bought some serious exposure to Victory to the public that they lacked the past 18 years.

Looking at the price on both HD and Injuns they run around the same so why would I allow Polaris to screw me again? For the same money I would buy HD and know damn well parts and service will be around. Or buy a BMW or Triumph. I like thoroughbreds. The only Jap bike that seems to be one is the goldwing. Not my style though.

If Injun starts dropping they would end those and probably try and bring back the Vincent or another dead brand for 10 years before that fad ends.
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I'd say from the parts availability to clearing out the current accessory inventory it won't be much later than the new year.

Since they have continued to blow stuff out the door in what looks like a attempt to bury the name faster, they will at most release a Vic type bike under the Injun name in the future.

Now, if they released one with a 50 MM cannon on the front instead of a horn and called it the Apache..I may consider an Injun product..lol

Since they have very little left as far as accessories and parts are already a PITA, it is also reasonable to think that parts will only be available before long for warranty issues only within a couple years.

Some have said that if they introduce a newer high powered Vic engine under Indian they would buy one. Not me. It will take more time than I have on Earth to gain my trust back from Polaris that they will remain a motorcycle maker without dumping an entire product line when they lose a few bucks.

Harley will most likely bury Injuns within 5 years anyway if they continue their [email protected] and find a way to drop the costs to the public. Why Polaris dropped them vs. having Injun as a 'premium' brand and keeping Vics as a working mans brand I'll never know. But having both in the showroom could have bought some serious exposure to Victory to the public that they lacked the past 18 years.

Looking at the price on both HD and Injuns they run around the same so why would I allow Polaris to screw me again? For the same money I would buy HD and know damn well parts and service will be around. Or buy a BMW or Triumph. I like thoroughbreds. The only Jap bike that seems to be one is the goldwing. Not my style though.

If Injun starts dropping they would end those and probably try and bring back the Vincent or another dead brand for 10 years before that fad ends.
My thoughts are in general, people are sell outs. Give them a year or two and they will lay down and throw money at Polaris for the next shiney thing then cry like a 12 year old girl when the rug is pulled out again.
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My dealer and Polaris made a deal. They will continue to service Victory Motorcycles for the 10 year period. That came directly from the general manager. I was also told that, the same day from the service manager. So I should be in good shape for a while.

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My thoughts are in general, people are sell outs. Give them a year or two and they will lay down and throw money at Polaris for the next shiney thing then cry like a 12 year old girl when the rug is pulled out again.
You forgot to add that most people are stupid and have have very short memories which will merely add to their willingness to throw more money at Polaris at some time in the future.... oh look, a squirrel

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My thoughts are in general, people are sell outs. Give them a year or two and they will lay down and throw money at Polaris for the next shiney thing then cry like a 12 year old girl when the rug is pulled out again.
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Last week our city laid to rest a police officer who was ran over by a texting drunk driving women. There was like 50 motorcycle cops in the perspiration. There was 8 black victory cc police bikes.
So I'm guessing the only reason polaris is keeping vic's around for 10 years is cause of the police bikes and am guessing a contract they have with them.
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You forgot to add that most people are stupid and have have very short memories which will merely add to their willingness to throw more money at Polaris at some time in the future.... oh look, a squirrel

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On most things I'd agree with this. But buying a high end (expensive) motorcycle like H-D, Polaris Indian, BMW etc. is more of an emotional purchase than a simple transaction/tech data sheet purchase. Therefore I don't see Polaris getting around what they did to Victory for a very long time. At two events this last weekend I heard it several times from many people. They were unanimous in their feelings to never trust Polaris. They plan to either switch to H-D, stayed with them or stayed with their current (non Polaris) brand.

Even a BMW K1600 GTL rider was thoroughly disgusted with Polaris and said he'd never trust them. He never owned a Victory or a Polaris Indian and now never will. BMW motorcycles are a small percentage of the overall BMW company. But no one can see them doing what Polaris did to Victory. Same with Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha, etc. etc.

I listened to a Law Abiding Biker podcast last night. The first one I ever listened to and likely the last. Anyway, a guest, or maybe he was a co-host, spent most of the podcast talking about why he sold off his Victory CCT for a new M8 H-D. I have no idea how many people hear their podcasts but it was fairly brutal towards Polaris. Not in an overt way as they both said they really liked the bikes and the line. But Polaris doing what they did, opened a large can of 'issues' with Polaris going forward for them and why they agreed to pass on a Polaris Indian in favor of H-D.

Another thread talks about a Polaris rumor that Victory owners will 'be pleased' with some upcoming Polaris Indian model. I'll say what I said earlier. Polaris coming out with a Polaris Indian that somehow pays homage to Victory, a brand they murdered, would be worse than stupid. Like GM coming out with a Chevrolet model to honor Saturn. Polaris kills off Victory, in favor of their Indian purchase, because Victory's didn't sell well enough. Then why on earth come out with anything that would remember or pay homage to Victory under the Polaris Indian badge.? Can Polaris senior management really be that tone deaf and unaware? I hope not, but I don't have faith they're not.
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