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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 11-07-2017, 08:46 AM Thread Starter
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Since 'the deed' things have certainly changed. My burgeoning VicWrapz business WAS going to rely upon things like a robust dealer network that could endorse me - clearly, that's gone now but what about the other Victory initiative, their Police Bike line? Lots of Municipalities must have bought into that before it went tits-up but what happened to them after the announcement, did they all suddenly swap inventory for the more ubiquitous Harley? I remember reading one article where Daytona Beach, specifically, had just bought a whole Victory fleet in 2016, however many bikes that was, mere months before Polaris bent them over. I could imagine that any town caught in that scenario would dump Victory IMMEDIATELY and never again look past Harley, but also that they'd be so embarrassed that the switch-back would get very little press. I Googled "Victory Police Motorcycles" yesterday to see if I could find anybody who would admit to still using them and was unsuccessful. Even websites specifically devoted to that subject are now defunct. It's like it never happened.

My interest in finding them is to see if they need graphics, in particular, TRIBUTE graphics for a parade or theme bike like I did for the Ohio Thin Blue Line Bike. Does anyone know of a database of municipalities that may own these bikes? I'd sure like to drop their marketing or public relations departments a note.

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Yea, Polaris rear ended a lot of people didn't they. Anyway, the graphics on your Ohio Fallen Officers tribute bike look great. Congratulations on a fine job. I'd 'guess' that as soon as the departments can/could move on from Victory they either already did or they will asap. Depending somewhat on their funding and budgeting cycle. Not sure how many Police departments would want to put their trust in Polaris to have parts available since the entire Victory line got killed off.

Wouldn't it be just like the nitwits at Polaris to come out with a Polaris Indian set up for Police duty? And then send their sales reps out to enthusiastically shop it around the country.

Here's a possible Polaris Indian PD Marketing plan:

"We're Polaris Indian, an American icon since 1901. We just know your Motor Officers would command more respect on either of our new Polaris Indian PD (Police Duty) models. Check out the all new Polaris Indian Springfield PD and the all new Polaris Indian Chieftain PD. We look forward to serving you as you serve your community. We're Polaris Indian, a company you can trust and depend on. Call us today at 1-800-foo-lyou"

Note to the Polaris Indian PD Sales team: Rule 1 - Don't EVER bring up the Victory Police bikes. Rule 2 - Failure to adhere to Rule 1 will result in immediate termination.
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Motor officers are hard on their bikes racking up miles like crazy. Very few have a bike very long. Seems like the guys I know never go longer than two years before getting a whole new bike. Some of those that work extra jobs on them will go through a motor and/or trans each year.

While I know Vics run and run I don't think many departments are going to push them past their normal transition time and will largely go back to HD.

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Seems like the guys I know never go longer than two years before getting a whole new bike.
I had no idea police bikes were turned over so frequently. I'd expect that more in larger cities and less in the Mayberries of the world. The small towns of Cape Cod for instance seem to have a bike or two each - none of them Victory.

I got an interesting callback from a nice guy named Steve late yesterday. Steve runs an expansive site called The History of Motorcycle Law Enforcement Motor Units that covers the history of motorcycles in police work and has a section on Victory. Steve was very interested in hearing what I was doing with the tribute bikes and graciously offered to pass my info along to appropriate contacts. I feel it's only fair to give him some exposure as well. His site seems to run off donations so anything we do to share and expose it to the masses can't hurt. Steve is not a "Victory guy" just a motorcycle guy with special interest in law enforcement uses, so his opinions are biased on how a bike fits toward that end.

In our phone conversation about Victory's demise, his feeling was it wasn't ever going to replace Harley's grip on that segment. The one specific he cited was too large a turning radius compared to Harley police bikes, like over a foot more. That was news to me, and doubled when he said that initial trials by certain departments (who's name I forgot) were revealing the same disadvantage for current Indian motor units. Frankly that sounds like Harley KoolAde but I was not able to dispute it when I Googled around this morning. In a game where inches could matter, being able to make U-turns in one-pass on narrower side streets could be a dealbreaker I suppose, despite other advantages Victory may have had. You'd think going out of business on Law Enforcement had to be the ultimate betrayal of trust but Steve also shared that multiple agencies (Daytona for one, who had bought into Victory's Police Bike program) are now trying to figure out how to sue for breach of service contracts they are still paying on, for bikes that cannot get repairs. What a freakin mess!

Anyway, this place is worth a real good look: From PoliceMotorUnits.com:

Victory 2007 "Enforcer" Police Unit - 100 cu in - 6 speed - 89 hp 104 ft./lbs torque:



Victory 2011 "Commander" Series Police Unit - 106 cu in - 6 speed - 92 hp 109 ft./lbs torque:

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I had no idea police bikes were turned over so frequently. I'd expect that more in larger cities and less in the Mayberries of the world. The small towns of Cape Cod for instance seem to have a bike or two each - none of them Victory.

I got an interesting callback from a nice guy named Steve late yesterday. Steve runs an expansive site called The History of Motorcycle Law Enforcement Motor Units that covers the history of motorcycles in police work and has a section on Victory. Steve was very interested in hearing what I was doing with the tribute bikes and graciously offered to pass my info along to appropriate contacts. I feel it's only fair to give him some exposure as well. His site seems to run off donations so anything we do to share and expose it to the masses can't hurt. Steve is not a "Victory guy" just a motorcycle guy with special interest in law enforcement uses, so his opinions are biased on how a bike fits toward that end.

In our phone conversation about Victory's demise, his feeling was it wasn't ever going to replace Harley's grip on that segment. The one specific he cited was too large a turning radius compared to Harley police bikes, like over a foot more. That was news to me, and doubled when he said that initial trials by certain departments (who's name I forgot) were revealing the same disadvantage for current Indian motor units. Frankly that sounds like Harley KoolAde but I was not able to dispute it when I Googled around this morning. In a game where inches could matter, being able to make U-turns in one-pass on narrower side streets could be a dealbreaker I suppose, despite other advantages Victory may have had. You'd think going out of business on Law Enforcement had to be the ultimate betrayal of trust but Steve also shared that multiple agencies (Daytona for one, who had bought into Victory's Police Bike program) are now trying to figure out how to sue for breach of service contracts they are still paying on, for bikes that cannot get repairs. What a freakin mess!

Anyway, this place is worth a real good look: From PoliceMotorUnits.com:

Victory 2007 "Enforcer" Police Unit - 100 cu in - 6 speed - 89 hp 104 ft./lbs torque:



Victory 2011 "Commander" Series Police Unit - 106 cu in - 6 speed - 92 hp 109 ft./lbs torque:

He is correct. The HD does a tighter circle and many of the cone patterns used in the past had to be expanded to allow bikes like the Wing to be able to complete it. This of course then made the course much easier on a HD because they now had more room while the Wing had just enough.

You are also correct in the fact smaller departments will be able to keep a bike or car in service longer than large cities.

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This is about five years old. You can see the sample spec sheets as written for different departments.

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I call BS on the turning radius. Check this out

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I call BS on the turning radius. Check this out
I don't understand why. Not by that video. Nobody said the Vics don't turn tight, because they do.....for their size. A Road King though turns tighter. If you lay out a HD specific cone course and try to run it on a Wing or Vic there are going to be parts you just can not pass because you don't have enough room.

The cone course in my police motors course was Wing approved. That gave me extra room when the Wing had just enough. It is similar to the Vic. All three handle well and can pass an appropriate sized cone course but out of the three the HD will be able to do the tighter course.

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I'll be the first to admit I don't trust myself doing U-turns or any slow speed maneuvers after dropping a 'nice' bike before. I'd never want to scrape up my baby. I don't even want to practice it on my own bike. I'd be more than happy to risk someone else's bike though if there are any volunteers

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I'll be the first to admit I don't trust myself doing U-turns or any slow speed maneuvers after dropping a 'nice' bike before. I'd never want to scrape up my baby. I don't even want to practice it on my own bike. I'd be more than happy to risk someone else's bike though if there are any volunteers
Yup. I am right there with ya. Slow speed a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g scares the be-jesus out of me. Okay, that may be a bit of an exaggeration, but I am super-cautious when it comes to the slow speed stuff. I am sure that will change over time.

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