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Vegas 2011-2012 Possible Fraud????

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#1 ·
Happy Thanksgiving!

I have been very confused why my so called 2012 Victory Vegas 8 Ball Motorcycle specs don't match the specs on other 2012 Victory Vegas 8 Ball Specs provided by Victory Motorcycles Home Web-page (I bought the bike new). But it does match the specs of a 2011 Victory Vegas 8 Ball Motorcycle.

My 2012 Vegas 8 Balls has the tires/Rims of a 2011 Vegas 8 Ball and I'm guessing the same goes with the suspension.
According to Victory Website
2012 Victory Vegas 8-Ball Motorcycle

2011 Victory Vegas 8 Ball
Front Tire Spec: 90/90 21 Rim 21 X 2.15 in
Rear Tire Specs: 180 55-B18 Rim 18 X 5.5 in

2012 Victor Vegas 8 Ball
Front Tire Spec: 130/70R18 Rim 18 X 3.0 in
Rear Tire Spec: 180/60R16 Rim 16 X 5.0 in

These tires sizes/rims are significantly different between the 2011-2012 and not interchangeable.

My motorcycle has the 2011 tires/rims sizes and could not fit the manufacture 2012 tires/ rims sizes. (I had 2 professional motorcycle shop confirm this.)

Also, the suspension of the 2012 and 2011 are significantly different, plus a few more manufacturing differences. I will have a professional shop diagnose these differences.

One last piece of evidence that worries me. The sticker on my motorcycle front lower bar. It reads the same tires/rims specs for a 2011 Victory Vegas Motorcycle. Also the ManuFactureDate (MFD) on the sticker says 9/2011. But was Registered as a 2012. I heard of Motorcycle Dealers and distributors playing with the numbers to make a motorcycle look a year newer, but really its the older model. I'm concerned this is what has happened here. According to the Victory Web-site I own a 2011, but it's registered as a 2012/sold as a 2012.

With this many discrepancies, it’s difficult to believe this motorcycle is an actual 2012.

Anybody else dealt with this or have an explanation?

Thanks for any help,
Dan
 
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#4 ·
This is an odd one. First thing I'd do is talk to the dealer I bought the bike from if that was the case. If not; find any dealer, by phone will do, and ask them what might have happened.

Don't have an attitude when you call. Call with the intention of doing research to find out what is going on so you know what is going on going forward.

If after calling several dealerships you can't get an answer; a call and a letter to Polaris is likely in order. Use a service that requires them to sign for the letter and keep that proof. If necessary get an attorney involved but of course this can get expensive if it goes farther than a simple letter.

Most importantly; please let us know what you find out so we too can know the answer to this mystery.
 
#5 ·
If he goes through all this, and finds the bike was misstamped, titled wrong etc, what would you expect the outcome of this knowledge to produce?
 
#9 ·
I guess I'm asking you since you mentioned possibly lawyering up.
 
#10 ·
Hopefully Polaris would be forthcoming long before needing a lawyer. I included the lawyer bit just in case they weren't.

You're new here so you aren't privy to all the conversations previously had about Victory/Polaris stonewalling people on warranty issues we've had here and other forums. If you had known about them you would likely already know why an attorney when dealing with a stubborn company is sometimes needed. It sucks but that's the way it is. The problem is always the same though; companies have lawyers on their payroll. Individuals generally don't and can't afford what they can. Same goes with the government. They will always win in the long run by out spending the plaintiff and drawing a case out for years until the well is dry. The well is never dry at the company or government unless it's a company dealing with the government.
 
#17 ·
A simple question asked, of you, after your suggestions and statements.
I got one coherent, somewhat condescending answer, and a smart assed one or two.
Try reading the thread back to yourself without inserting an assumed attitude.
 
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#19 ·
Hi @Danmcgrt what detailed information, very nice read, so did you call the dealer like @BBob suggestion? I do think that is the best way to go if you like to know where the bike came from and why the bike has different bits in it...

Interested in this outcome

Smile

Andre using TaPaTaLk
 
#20 ·
Does the emissions data sticker say what model year the bike was made to? A bike built in 9/2011 could actually be either made to 2011 specs or 2012 specs. In either case, the emissions data decal should state the model year that particular bike was built as. But in any case, Polaris could have simply just used whatever parts they had on hand the day your bike was going down the assembly line. Maybe the 8 Ball version could have a higher likelihood of being 'non standard' only in that I thought part of the concept of the 8-Ball was a blacked budget model. But that's a guess on my part.

With the Octane, I've seen bikes come from Polaris in colors (lime green, yellow, blue, gloss pearl white) they were never offered in. There's even one Octane at Randy's Cycle in Marengo, IL that came in with ABS. ABS wasn't even an option on the 2017 Octane. Maybe they were going to either offer ABS on the 2018 Octane or make it standard on the 2018. In either case, ABS shouldn't 'officially' be on the 2017 Octane on the showroom floor at Randy's. But that Octane came out of the crate from Polaris with ABS installed.

Personally, I'd not hold out high hopes of Polaris giving much attention to your inquiry. They could, but from everything they've done with Victory since Jan 8, 2017 suggests to me they really want the entire line to simply disappear. For your sake, I hope I'm wrong and they give your inquiry the attention it deserves. But I'd certainly expect more attention from the dealer you bought the bike from. As has been posted, please report back what you find out.
 
#21 · (Edited)
Front Tire Spec: 130/70R18 Rim 18 X 3.0 in
Bzzzzt!!! WRONG.
The only models with 18" front wheels were KINGPIN and HAMMER. No Vegas ever had an 18" front wheel, 8-Ball or otherwise.
Problem solved, the specs you're looking at are wrong.

FFS do a VIN search... http://www.cyclevin.com/motorcycle-vin-report
 
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#26 · (Edited)
One last piece of evidence that worries me. The sticker on my motorcycle front lower bar. It reads the same tires/rims specs for a 2011 Victory Vegas Motorcycle. Also the ManuFactureDate (MFD) on the sticker says 9/2011. But was Registered as a 2012. I heard of Motorcycle Dealers and distributors playing with the numbers to make a motorcycle look a year newer, but really its the older model. I'm concerned this is what has happened here. According to the Victory Web-site I own a 2011, but it's registered as a 2012/sold as a 2012.

With this many discrepancies, it’s difficult to believe this motorcycle is an actual 2012.
In going over the original post again after HC pointed out the wheel size issue and how one can't be for a Vegas; I figured a closer look at the year model might be a good idea.

My thought on this part is if it's registered as a 2012, regardless of when it was made because it is normal for cars and bikes to be made in the prior year it is made for, this bike is a 2012.

So no need to worry if you have anything wrong there. It's all on the up and up. Both years are identical anyway so the only time anything would come into play is if you were trading it in or selling it. You might get a few more bucks for it being the 12' rather than the 11'.
 
#30 ·
Are not the second set of tire numbers for a cross country. I am looking at new tires so I just noticed this.
 
#31 ·
It says 130/70R-18 which denotes a radial tire... The Kingpin didn't come with radials, and I don't think the Hammer did either. Did the XCs come with radial tires? The size could be KP, Hammer, Cross bike (except Magnum w/21")...
If you're buying tires, look at the load and speed ratings too.
 
#34 ·
I appreciate all the spirited conversation and responses. I've been in contact with the dealership, but since I provided the evidence (that I provided in my original post), the dealership has gone silent. I have contacted a law firm. Honestly, I would expect a refund. I did not get what I paid for and was manipulated for years.

I'll keep everybody updated on the status, win or lose.

Thanks,
Dan
 
#35 ·
Hi Dan, thanks for sharing the original post, but if the bike was new in 2012 then please post some pictures of your bike so the guys can help... They know a lot about this subject

Please share

Andre using TaPaTaLk
 
#39 · (Edited)
Right now we know next to nothing. Not where he lives or what the bike looks like. Yes, the registration will say the make and model of the bike, but that is whatever it was registered as. The motor vehicle dept doesn't look at the bike to verify it; at least not where I've lived. Some states might want to see it if it's brought in from another state.

A picture of the bike and the tag on the bike will clear this right up.

PS: If the OP is unwilling to provide these basic things a mod should shut the thread down and lock it due to trolling.
 
#41 ·
Thanks for the response and I will post pictures. For those who think I'm crazy or work for Polaris, then explain the difference on the Victory Website Home Page. 2012 Victory Vegas 8-Ball Motorcycle between the 2011-2012 Victory Vegas 8 Ball?

Look forward to your response,
Dan
If you read post #29 you will have your answer. It's a misprint on the website. The Vegas comes with 90/90 21 front wheel/tire.
 
#44 ·
#45 ·
Mystery is solved. It is indeed a 2012 Vegas with the standard 21" front tire.

The Victory website has a misprint on front tire size for the 2012 and 2013 Vegas 8-Ball.

Exhibit A: The 2011 Vegas 8-Ball


Exhibit B: 2013 Vegas 8-Ball


As you can clearly see; there is no difference in front tire size. In fact the only difference I can see, even though there may be more, is the tank badge.
 
#47 ·
Hmm... before you get all upset; understand I've been riding, building, and working on bikes for about 46 years now so I may see them a bit different than you do. For instance, even from a distance there's night and day difference between a 90 21" tire and a 130 18" tire.

For instance 90 21"


And a 130 18" tire...


Surely even a novice can see the difference.

As far as what Polaris does with their website, how they ran their Victory sub-business, and anything else they do that hasn't made much sense to a lot of us; you will have to take it up with them.

I should be shocked they have misprints from 2012/13 that still haven't been corrected but to be honest; it's kinda par for the course.

Polaris is an odd company. They go through all the trouble to build one of the best production motorcycles on the planet then just out of the blue when things seem like they are going great; they shut it down. We still haven't gotten a satisfactory answer from them about that yet. Most think it's because they had enough motorcycle business going on with their new Polaris Indian line.
 
#48 ·
Hey Bob, are my current posts enough for you or you need more? The Victory Website and the simple specs of my bike don't match. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's still a good point. Should I just lay down and shut up? I'm guessing you prefer censorship according to your post. I have another website you should read you red coat Communist. It's called the 1st Amendment....https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment.

God Bless America,
Dan
 
#50 ·
Hey Bob, are my current posts enough for you or you need more? The Victory Website and the simple specs of my bike don't match. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's still a good point. Should I just lay down and shut up? I'm guessing you prefer censorship according to your post. I have another website you should read you red coat Communist. It's called the 1st Amendment....https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment.

God Bless America,
Dan
and Bob you don't know me
I should have known you were a cuck leftist. No wonder you can't understand normal thinking.

You have a real fucking problem asshole but I'm not it. Why don't you drag your smelly stinking putrid vile low life ass back into the swamp it slithered out of.

We helped you and then you spat in my face. What a piece of **** dick you are and will always be you POS commie.

What is it with you vile leftists anyway? You all are the same. Cut from the same cloth and should all be banned from these United States.

You're a special kind of stupid. I've already explained the damn victory site is wrong. Can you fucking read or what!!!!!

There should be at least a minimum IQ to post in these forums. A 25 IQ like you have dan; is at least 50 points below minimum.

Stupid and ignorant people like this dan guy are really frustrating. Stupid and ignorant. Sheesh.

Now go back to bed before you wake your mommy from down in the basement she lets you live in.
 
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