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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 01-07-2018, 12:59 PM Thread Starter
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Looking for assistance in troubleshooting an issue with with 11 Victory Cross Country. About 2 weeks ago, it was around 20-25 degrees F Philadelphia area. I decided to ride to Revzilla which is about 30 miles on I95. Bike started and warmed up no problem. I plugged in my heated gear, and off I went. A few turns after I exited I95, the bike stalled out and would not start unless I gave it some throttle. If I let go of the throttle, it stalled right out. I let it sit in Revzilla's parking lot for about a half hour while I shopped. I tried to start it again, but same issue. I was low on gas, so I went to the gas station around the corner and gave it a full tank. Still ran the same way. I reconnected the O2 sensors, hoping that it would help, but it didn't.
I know these Cross bikes have some really weird issues with a bad/low battery, so I figured it was that.

Fast forward to this morning. The morning started off with some brisk single digit temperatures, perfect for keeping cool while lying under a Victory in a parking lot to change the battery. For comparison, I fired up the bike on the old battery. The first attempt, the starter did not have enough juice to turn over and locked up. Try number 2 turned over a few times before the engine caught and fired right up. For some back story, the bike did this same thing last year from time to time, so I consider it normal. I did not let the bike warm up, and quickly shut it down with less than a minute run time.
I am happy to report, that the battery change went almost exactly as planned, with a little effort to remove the old battery. Once in and connected, I switched the key on and the volt meter climbed right to where it always does. I will say that the starter did not struggle at all, and acted as though it was a nice 70 degrees outside.
The bad news is that this did not solve my problems. The bike warmed up as it usually does, with no problems. I put my hand on the cylinder heads, and it was starting to get really warm to the touch. A few more minutes of idling, I blipped the throttle. From here on out, the RPM's started bouncing again. I figure as the engine got hotter, it was only going to get worse, and I was right. I shut the bike down, and started to put the battery cover back on. As I was putting the cover back on, I noticed a hose (thick hose behind the cylinders, going into the trans.) was disconnected. I found a few small spots of oil under the hose. I think this is an oil breather hose, but I am not sure. It is possible that I knocked this hose off when connecting the O2 sensors, or maybe it was off already and I didn't notice. Could this be causing the bike to stall and not idle correctly, or am I looking at another problem?

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02's will not make a difference in starting. Just leave them unhooked.
The hose is the blowby hose and yes connect to motor and the nipple on top of the frame.
Now for not starting not sure why old batteries can really screw things up.
Go to auto store and buy some NGK plugs maybe 2 sets. P/N 3481 your plugs will be shot from all the starting you have tried. Opening the throttle a 1/8" is all you need. Twisting it many times does no good.
Say put some sea foam in the gas. Read the can for how much. You could have winter gas in the bike causing the problem
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The bad news is that this did not solve my problems. The bike warmed up as it usually does, with no problems. I put my hand on the cylinder heads, and it was starting to get really warm to the touch. A few more minutes of idling, I blipped the throttle. From here on out, the RPM's started bouncing again. I figure as the engine got hotter, it was only going to get worse, and I was right.

Could this be causing the bike to stall and not idle correctly, or am I looking at another problem?
Mine tends to do this also every winter. It is very annoying. I did notice that if you ride it for 10 or 15 minutes, then shut it off for about 5, it tends to run normal.
Where it goes from normal to unable to achieve a consistent idle speed, the same every time this occurs, I can't see it being fuel or plugs. The failure is too consistent. It appears/disappears completely.
I'm betting others have this problem too. I've found that it can be controlled with just enough throttle to keep it above idle. I'm getting the feeling it is either the Idle Air control Valve, or the sensors and logic that operates it. Maybe the throttle position calibration.
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Mine tends to do this also every winter. It is very annoying. I did notice that if you ride it for 10 or 15 minutes, then shut it off for about 5, it tends to run normal.
Where it goes from normal to unable to achieve a consistent idle speed, the same every time this occurs, I can't see it being fuel or plugs. The failure is too consistent. It appears/disappears completely.
I'm betting others have this problem too. I've found that it can be controlled with just enough throttle to keep it above idle. I'm getting the feeling it is either the Idle Air control Valve, or the sensors and logic that operates it. Maybe the throttle position calibration.
I was starting to worry myself about the throttle position, as I installed new grips a few weeks before this started. I rode the bike a couple of times since installing the bike, without issue. It looks like it will warm up a bit later this week, so I'm going to try for a ride and see if the problem goes away in higher temperatures.

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If I am reading this correctly (I have reading comprehension issues occasionally) it seems the bike runs fine except when you let go of the throttle. If this is the case, check your Idle Air Valve. Your symptoms sound the same as when I tried running the bike without the IAV connected.

When you shut down the bike, do you get like a springy chatter sound about 10 seconds after you shut off the key? If not, that could be your issue.
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If I am reading this correctly (I have reading comprehension issues occasionally) it seems the bike runs fine except when you let go of the throttle. If this is the case, check your Idle Air Valve. Your symptoms sound the same as when I tried running the bike without the IAV connected.

When you shut down the bike, do you get like a springy chatter sound about 10 seconds after you shut off the key? If not, that could be your issue.
Thanks broggyr.
You are correct. I have to twist the throttle slightly to keep her running. I do not have the Lloydz IAV installed. Yes, a few seconds after shutting down the bike, I can hear relays clicking for about a second. The bike has always done this.

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Just for clarity, I wasn't referring to Lloydz IAV; I was referring to the OEM unit. The OEM unit is electronic and plugs into the bike, whereas Lloydz unit is mechanical only.

The relays clicking means it's working and resetting as expected, so you can rule that out.
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Just for clarity, I wasn't referring to Lloydz IAV; I was referring to the OEM unit. The OEM unit is electronic and plugs into the bike, whereas Lloydz unit is mechanical only.

The relays clicking means it's working and resetting as expected, so you can rule that out.
Thanks for the clarification. At least now I know what all that clicking is when I shut down the bike.
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TRY an IAC RESET and see if it helps. If at any point of a start up, if your voltage drops below 10.5 volts, the IAC triggers an Low Voltage code at the ECU and they are no longer in sync. Causes idle issues and stalling when throttle released during riding or higher revs. Also, monitor over voltages....as this will cause similar symptoms. Over voltages are around 15+ volts. Over voltages caused by bad voltage regulator.

Causes: Weak battery, loose connection, improper voltage.

If all checks out, then check for fouled spark plugs, bad spark plug wires......... then move on to fuel pressure...and so on.

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It was warm enough today (50 degrees F) and I had time, so I started the bike. I let it warm up and went for a short ride with no issues at all. Whatever my bike's problem is, it's temperature related. We are in for another cold spell late next week, so hopefully I'll get some time to tinker with it.

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