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Thanks for the vid VJ ... I hadn't seen this one before now

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Cool bike they could of went this way in production maybe a limited run of these. Why were all these projects kept such a secret, this could of helped build the brand.
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Cool bike they could of went this way in production maybe a limited run of these. Why were all these projects kept such a secret, this could of helped build the brand.
He finished this bike in 2009 and the video ended with the old Fuel It tag line from several years ago. I've seen this guy in other Victory videos but I have no idea if he's still at Polaris working on the Polaris Indian brand at this point.

Why did they keep cool projects like this secret and hidden away? Because Polaris Industries isn't a 'motorcycle' manufacturer. They never seemed to have, and still don't have, a clue how to build a brand in the motorcycle powersports segment. That's why they bought the Indian name and built a Polaris bike under that logo. It's the easy way out because they only have to build upon the work of previous engineers, designers, marketers and visionaries.

The current senior management team and the Board Of Directors at Polaris Industries only have eyes for things green lighted under their command. Victory Motorcycles was from a previous senior management team so they never gave a hoot about it. It's the old, "Not Invented Here" syndrome that prevents many otherwise talented people from living up to their potential.

Victory Motorcycles didn't fail due to anything related to the actual motorcycles. It was murdered through intentional bad money management and neglect. Everything Polaris Industries talks about and has plans for under the Polaris Indian brand they already had readily available under their own Victory Motorcycles brand. Modern styling, better performance etc etc etc. Victory could have gone in many directions, Polaris Indian, is really pigeon holed into a few design elements.

Everytime I ever hear or read anything from people like Steve Menneto, I try to listen to what he's actually saying. It's two-fold, much of what they say was said about the Victory brand. Great things coming etc etc etc.

Scott Wine and his senior management team at Polaris Industries spent untold millions buying, designing, engineering and marketing Polaris Indians when they already had an excellent foundation with Victory Motorcycles.

Back to the original and excellent question; why were Victory projects like this kept mostly secret? So Polaris Industries senior management could turn Victory into failure in an effort to pursue their own desires.

IMHO, Polaris Indian shouldn't even be a consideration until the brand is over 18 years old.
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Well said Mark. That's been my contention all along, that Polaris did not know how to market the Victory brand, nor did they realize where it fit into the field. They had no idea it was a stand alone bike that offered the buyer so much more than they could buy elsewhere and for less money. Victory really had no direct competition, IMO. I had read that, in the last three years it was produced, there were five marketing managers. That backs up everything I was thinking.

I thought, if I was the ad man for Victory, how would I sell it? The campaign I conjured would be based on "MORE." More power, more comfort, more storage (Cross bikes), more possibilities - for LESS money. Or something like that. Instead, we got pictures of a Cross bike doing a burnout. Yeah, that's why we all bought a Victory...not!

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Thanks for posting this video, I couldn't open the OP one, and I subscribed to this channel now....

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Great video, I haven't seen it in a while and greatly enjoyed watching it again. Thank you for posting it Half Crazy. Three highly talented visionaries who seemed to love their opportunity at doing something truly unique. How sad that ultimately, Wine, Memmeto and company pee'd and pooped all over their originality and creativity.

I have no idea if these three are still working at Polaris. If they're still at Polaris Industries, I wonder if the pitch from Wine and Memmeto went something like this.

"Hey guys, great news, we bought the rights to the Indian name. Yea, it costs us millions. Victory? Yea well, we'll be scrapping that S Hole brand in short order. Now, get to work looking at decades of other designers work on previous versions of the Indian and see what you can copy. We need you to bring enough design cues forward so the Marketing team can use them. And, oh yea, most importantly, make sure to copy the big fat fender Indian look. Idiots, err, I mean, our new buyers will be certain to fall for those big ugly, I mean, full figured fenders. Thanks guys, and....one more thing, stop wearing Victory t-shirts and stuff. Remember, we're all about the Polaris Indian now. Soon, there's finally going to be a choice in American bikes. We'll get those rat bastard H-D guys yet. Thanks everyone."

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I also have seen this video before but it has been a long while, thanks for posting it Johnny. It also reminds me of how big of a disappointment it is on what Polaris did with Victory. When I got my bike in 2012 I had barely even heard of the Victory name and only seen a few in person. I was shopping around for my first big bike and was very close to buying a Stratoliner till I saw the Victory sign on a tractor/ATV dealership the next town up from me. Researched them online and a month later I had my XR for less than the startoliner was going to cost me. As Ricz mentioned, if they would have had a sensible ad campaign instead of those "in your face and lets beat out HD" commercials and ads I think they could have done better. To this day I still get people coming up wanting to know who makes my bike and that they have not seen one up close before.

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