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over on vog a guy said at 70 mph he heard a bad sound. 51K on his tour model. You can imagine how many guys said it was cause the oil. Amsoil 20/40. None of the guys though it could of been the bearing cage or a bearing itself. One of them even said he talk to the top 4 tuners and they said Amsoil. I thin he is working for CNN
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Of coarse he doesn't want to spend the $7 grand to fix it but will a used motor be any better

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Be cheaper to buy a another low mileage XC and keep his busted one for future parts!
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over on vog a guy said at 70 mph he heard a bad sound. 51K on his tour model. You can imagine how many guys said it was cause the oil. Amsoil 20/40. None of the guys though it could of been the bearing cage or a bearing itself. One of them even said he talk to the top 4 tuners and they said Amsoil. I thin he is working for CNN
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You can imagine how many guys said it was cause the oil. Amsoil 20/40.
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Incorrect, only 1 guy said it was the cause of the oil ...

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One of them even said he talk to the top 4 tuners and they said Amsoil.
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Incorrect, he said according to 2 vic engine builders ..... He is just trying to look important ... No vic guru would make statements against a billion $ company ....

This guy it's tradition to bash fellow forum members ..... Someone blows up a tranny and gets bashed for oil .... Crazy mate, just weird and wrong ....



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Those pictures are awful. Is this a bearing failure or did something else failed that took the bearing out? Does that bearing ride in the oil all the time. What a nightmare for the owner. So sad.

I'm guessing the number of trouble free Victory's with well over 100K, 200K or even 300K miles is larger than the total number of bikes that lost the trans circlip or this bearing. Still, it makes me pause a bit knowing the brand is dead and my extended warranty is up in 3 weeks.

I agree with the posts above. Buy a new to you used Victory and part out the entire 'broken' motorcycle to recoup (some of) the cost. That's likely what I'd do anyway.
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Of coarse he doesn't want to spend the $7 grand to fix it but will a used motor be any better
Is that what The Vic Shop quote is to fix it?

I'd go on ebay and find a good used low mile engine from a wrecked bike for $1,500-$2,000 and swap out engines then take my time fixing the first one on my work bench. Even if I ended up taking it apart then deciding it wasn't worth fixing; I'd still get the education factor from doing it.

It really sucks this $8 part caused all this trouble though. Had to be heart wrenching when he saw those bearings in there like that. Damn shame. I don't believe it was the oil either; especially Amsoil.
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A deal like this is hard to hear about. But none of us know any of the particulars. Was the oil and filter changed on time? Was a "good oil" used or bargain basement type? Did he run it hard or normal? I have seen more than a couple bearing failures that were just bad luck. Part manufactured with a defect or something. Sucks for the guy either way.

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A deal like this is hard to hear about. But none of us know any of the particulars. Was the oil and filter changed on time? Was a "good oil" used or bargain basement type? Did he run it hard or normal? I have seen more than a couple bearing failures that were just bad luck. Part manufactured with a defect or something. Sucks for the guy either way.
Over on the vog there's a thread about it. He used Amsoil and changed it regularly. There are some who believe Amsoil is so slippery that it causes bearings to slide rather than roll. I find that hard to believe.

I think you're right; just bad luck. A certain number of anything mechanical will fail prematurely due to some weak link. In this engine it was this bearing.
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Over on the vog there's a thread about it. He used Amsoil and changed it regularly. There are some who believe Amsoil is so slippery that it causes bearings to slide rather than roll. I find that hard to believe.

I think you're right; just bad luck. A certain number of anything mechanical will fail prematurely due to some weak link. In this engine it was this bearing.
If Amsoil is too slippery , why on Lloyds website he talks about "royal purple" oil .... isn't that even more high end oil so more slippery than vic or Amsoil ? Soooooo how van a slippery oil fail a bearing ? I call BS .... Hi hi

It is just bad luck .... For sample : If the bearing is SKF than there is a good chance they are made in China or Malaysia ....

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This should have been the first thing I ever posted as itís the MOST played out question on the web.

I get asked this ALL the*time. Which oil do I recommend in a Victory? My answer is Victory 20w40 oil! I donít care about your oil analysts, I donít care to hear your primary sounds quieter, I donít care to hear the other oil you use is cheaper, I donít care to hear any other comment you have about another*oil. Cause and effect, you may have caused one thing to ďget betterĒ but you just affected another to get worse. I see HUNDREDS of torn apart motors every year, I can with a great deal of accuracy tell which oil was in that motor. Itís not a super power I possess; certain oils leave characteristic stains, marking, smell and wear in different areas of the motor. Iím by all means not experienced in all oils in these bikes but there are the top 4 used that Iím experienced with.

Now I will also say, Iím not suggestion Victory oil is by far the best oil in the world for these bikes. I am saying, with the ones that are typically used Victory oil lends itself to be the*superior oil for wear and parts protection that provides a manageable and stable temperatures.

One issue raised is this, if*there is better oil, letís say Royal Purple. Itís oil Iíve wanted to try for years. It would take me an unknown amount of years gathering information to sit down and recommend another brand. Conclusions canít be made on 1 engine, thatís bit me in the ass before.

So whatís my ending statement?

If you have the ability to buy Victory oil, IMO thereís no reason to*open the top on another brand

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