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So I got a hair up my ass to ride up to Michigan and test the Indians at Dick's in Livonia today. For the hell of it, I popped the O2 sensors off beforehand. I have bellyached before about how I don't really notice any difference in power one way or the other, but my gas mileage seems much worse. I'm going to have to revise that theory because I made it 198 miles at 70+ mph and topped off the tank with 4.1 gallons making for a whopping 48.3 mpg with my barn door windscreen punching thru the morning air usually around 80 mph. On the way back the mileage was not quite as good, but I couldn't top the tank off with the crappy dispenser so I don't know how much different, but it wasn't much.

Oh yeah, and then there was the matter of the Injun. I rode the Chief:
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Summary:

1. I got there as the first batch were leaving. If you were blindfolded, you'd never know it wasn't a bunch of Harleys exiting.

2. It has a cutesy button that brings the electrics on and to standby. Once there, hitting the starter button awakens the beast. Same sounds as a Vic as it wakes up, also, nice and smooth idle like a Vic.

3. Taking off, I noticed the steering felt heavier than my XR. It wasn't clumsy, just heavier.

4. Out on the road, the engine feels built to Robvision's liking. Lot of bottom end grunt. Feels kinda winded at the top. I don't think it would take a Vic cruiser on the low end or my bike on the top, but it pulls real nice around 3k rpm.

5. Didn't have a chance to plant it in a corner, but from what I was able to notice was that the steering seemed perfectly light and lively once at speed.

6. Suspension felt nice if a little bit stiffer than the XR. Could be newness.

7. Front brake is the real deal. Maybe they sourced these things from Brembo? Anti-lock is a must with these as unlike the XR front binders, these will bring the bike down in a big hurry. Oddly, the rear brake was not as good as the one on my XR.

8. Until I started reading these cruiser boards, I probably would have overlooked a lot of things (and probably still did), but now I do notice a lot of details that make the Indian more refined in the styling dept. The seat was one area I could tell was much nicer than normal from the pics. Unfortunately, it looks much less cool after a few riders leave their scent on it. (Notice how the leather bunches up at the top.
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9. It put out a ton more heat than my XR and focused it on my right hamstring. Fortunately, I wore riding pants as rain was in the forecast and it was more annoying than painful, but it wasn't all that hot out either.

10. When we returned to the dealer lot, people had check engine lights on. Apparently, when you hit the rev limiter it throws a code and they have to take it into the shop to reset it.

11. The gages worked like the Vic allowing you to scroll thru them with a forefinger. They were embedded in the tank which looks very stylistic from a bar stool, but works less well than our over the handlebar units.

12. It was a little over 230 miles up there and I felt fine when I got there. Within a mile, I was feeling hot spots from the Indian seat. Surely, the morning ride made me a little more susceptible, but still.

13. Bike fit me pretty good except the seat was too low and had my knees riding above my hips. My short legs placed my feet hanging over the front end of the floorboards. Okay for lil old me, but not so great for the tall people.

14. Transmission is quieter than the XR, but the effort and throws feel about the same.

In short, nice bike, but my expectations were higher. My XR is just so damn good that I know it's hard to do much except marginally improve it, but still I want to believe. Vic did another outstanding job, it's just not in the areas the (save the front braking) that impress me.

I have a feeling, the XR and I are headed for a long term relationship...




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Saddlebag, thanks for info on the Indian Motorcycle. I plan on test riding one when I can. I have long legs so it will be interesting to see how it fits me


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Nice report, thanks.

I'm 6' 3" and poor, so I too will be happy with my XR for a long time.

With all the hype I don't imagine any Victory owner will be THAT impressed, unless it's looks only they are concerned with.

I just don't like that tan leather... especially on blue, guess I'm not cool enough to get the appeal.

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Something I forgot to add was that the Indians and Vics will be housed under the same roof at the dealer. It didn't appear that they sold used cars, but had a lot of leftover '13 Vics still on the floor. There was some chatter here at one point about Polaris forcing new dealers to have their own building for the Indians. At this point, that doesn't seem to be the case.




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In some circles there is a pecking order that dealers are part of. Those with the best locations and the most dedicated space get priority attention from the factory, and those sharing space less so.
Typically the factory will define a set of parameters and then loosen up on a case by case.
Don't be surprised if your friendly neighborhood Motorsports emporium is taking orders while a stand alone dealer has product on the floor.

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Maybe.

So I got a hair up my ass to ride up to Michigan and test the Indians at Dick's in Livonia today. For the hell of it, I popped the O2 sensors off beforehand. I have bellyached before about how I don't really notice any difference in power one way or the other, but my gas mileage seems much worse. I'm going to have to revise that theory because I made it 198 miles at 70+ mph and topped off the tank with 4.1 gallons making for a whopping 48.3 mpg with my barn door windscreen punching thru the morning air usually around 80 mph. On the way back the mileage was not quite as good, but I couldn't top the tank off with the crappy dispenser so I don't know how much different, but it wasn't much.

Oh yeah, and then there was the matter of the Injun. I rode the Chief:
Attachment 39666

Summary:

1. I got there as the first batch were leaving. If you were blindfolded, you'd never know it wasn't a bunch of Harleys exiting.

2. It has a cutesy button that brings the electrics on and to standby. Once there, hitting the starter button awakens the beast. Same sounds as a Vic as it wakes up, also, nice and smooth idle like a Vic.

3. Taking off, I noticed the steering felt heavier than my XR. It wasn't clumsy, just heavier.

4. Out on the road, the engine feels built to Robvision's liking. Lot of bottom end grunt. Feels kinda winded at the top. I don't think it would take a Vic cruiser on the low end or my bike on the top, but it pulls real nice around 3k rpm.

5. Didn't have a chance to plant it in a corner, but from what I was able to notice was that the steering seemed perfectly light and lively once at speed.

6. Suspension felt nice if a little bit stiffer than the XR. Could be newness.

7. Front brake is the real deal. Maybe they sourced these things from Brembo? Anti-lock is a must with these as unlike the XR front binders, these will bring the bike down in a big hurry. Oddly, the rear brake was not as good as the one on my XR.

8. Until I started reading these cruiser boards, I probably would have overlooked a lot of things (and probably still did), but now I do notice a lot of details that make the Indian more refined in the styling dept. The seat was one area I could tell was much nicer than normal from the pics. Unfortunately, it looks much less cool after a few riders leave their scent on it. (Notice how the leather bunches up at the top.
Attachment 39674

9. It put out a ton more heat than my XR and focused it on my right hamstring. Fortunately, I wore riding pants as rain was in the forecast and it was more annoying than painful, but it wasn't all that hot out either.

10. When we returned to the dealer lot, people had check engine lights on. Apparently, when you hit the rev limiter it throws a code and they have to take it into the shop to reset it.

11. The gages worked like the Vic allowing you to scroll thru them with a forefinger. They were embedded in the tank which looks very stylistic from a bar stool, but works less well than our over the handlebar units.

12. It was a little over 230 miles up there and I felt fine when I got there. Within a mile, I was feeling hot spots from the Indian seat. Surely, the morning ride made me a little more susceptible, but still.

13. Bike fit me pretty good except the seat was too low and had my knees riding above my hips. My short legs placed my feet hanging over the front end of the floorboards. Okay for lil old me, but not so great for the tall people.

14. Transmission is quieter than the XR, but the effort and throws feel about the same.

In short, nice bike, but my expectations were higher. My XR is just so damn good that I know it's hard to do much except marginally improve it, but still I want to believe. Vic did another outstanding job, it's just not in the areas the (save the front braking) that impress me.

I have a feeling, the XR and I are headed for a long term relationship...
Thanks for testing that low RPM grunt for me
And for posting your opinions on the bike...


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The old-school look is nice, but I like the fact that my Kingpin does NOT look like all the other bikes out there. Plus I am six feet tall, so I appreciate the leg room.

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Good Review .. While not saying won't be an Indian one day .. For now my XC is working for me Just Fine ..

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Great review saddlebag. It appears from yours and others comments that I am too tall for an Indian after getting used to the room on my XR and my bank account tells me not to even think about it. I have had my complaints with poor fitting saddlebags and a couple of warranty issues but after a year I have bonded with my XR and plan on keeping her for quite a while, well at least another few years!

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I road my bike with 02's un hooked and came up with 42mpg then hooked up 02's and it was 45mpg. Did the math with my phone.

All 4 Vic dealers here are adding separate store for the Indian. From what I have read thats part of the deal.

As far as the Indian goes I don't care Love my Vision to much

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