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Default Prospective buyer has questions about Victory!

I've owned 39 motorcycles in 45 years of riding, but never yet a Victory. I am really attracted to the simplicity and styling of the Vegas 8-Ball, but have a few questions before I sell my current ride (highly customized Honda VTX 1800 Retro)





to get one, so I thought I'd ask current actual owners:

- Victory even after 14 years has a very small market share. I keep hearing that there are very few dealerships, so pricing tends to be less competitive for bikes, parts, and service. True or not?

- I've heard that finding a Victory dealer when you need one when touring can be hard. True or not? Do non-Victory dealers readily, and competently, work on Victorys?

- I've heard that many Victory parts are often backordered for long periods of time, and so bikes stay unrideable for weeks or months. True or not?

- Every model of any brand of motorcycles has its weaknesses. For example, on my 2002 VTX 1800 Retro, the original fuel pressure regulator is known to be failure prone, so you replace it BEFORE it sfails and fills the enigne crankcase with fuel. What are the common weaknesses on a Vegas 8 Ball? For example, I've heard that the transmissions are not only clunky but sometimes actually break. True?

- Every model of any brand of motorcycle has its idiosyncrasies. For example, on the VTX 1800, the factory air-fuel ratio between 1800 and 2300 rpm is "off" (maybe for emissions compliance?), and requires correction via a Power Commander to eliminate a resultant "shaking" when cruising in that rpm range. What are the idiosyncrasies on a Vegas 8 Ball?

- I rode a Vegas 8 Ball yesterday, and it struck me as remarkably light and nimble (part of that due to my current ride being so big and heavy I'm sure). The 8 Ball sort of reminded me of a 1970 Norton 750 Roadster I owned back in the day - that too was a very nimble and small bike, and STILL one of my favorites of all the bikes I've owned. Is the Vegas 8 Ball physically (not engine displacement) the same overall size as other Victory cruiser (not touring or bagger) models like the Hammer, Jackpot, etc., or is it physically smaller?

- I like the fact that the 8 Ball has hydraulic lifters, so no valve adjustments needed, and no engine coolant changes needed either. What engine maintenance is required beyond oil and filter changes, air filters, and spark plugs?

- My local dealership in Austin, Texas has NO new OR used 8 Balls, and is playing games on the value of my potential trade. Does anyone know of a FAIR dealership in central Texas, that keeps inventory of used 8 Balls?

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When I lived in Texas a few years ago Napalm on 620 (near lakeview mall) had a pretty good rep for service, but I never bought there.

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When I lived in Texas a few years ago Napalm on 620 (near lakeview mall) had a pretty good rep for service, but I never bought there.
They ARE excellent on service, and have good service prices, and in fact are THE place to get new tires, but their idea of sale prices on their bikes versus trade-in value on yours are, to say the least, too one-sided.

I've tired twice in the past few years to buy a bike there, and got turned right off each time and bought something else elsewhere. I DO get at least some of my service work done there on my Honda, and the rest of the service work goes to a really neat local "chopper" shop that does things right too.

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Napalm Motorsports is where I bought my 2008 Kingpin Tour. I'm sure I could have gotten a better deal from an individual, but a midnight cherry in this good a condition does not come along every day. They are much better to work with than my local dealership. When I need parts I will order them from Napalm.

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Take a ride to Killeen Powersports in Killeen, you might be happy with them. I have bought many bikes from them starting in 78. They are a great group of people. If you want to PM me I can tell you who to see! I do not know their current inventory but, I just got a jackpot & my friend got a highball.


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Take a ride to Killeen Powersports in Killeen, you might be happy with them. I have bought many bikes from them starting in 78. They are a great group of people. If you want to PM me I can tell you who to see! I do not know their current inventory but, I just got a jackpot & my friend got a highball.


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I will keep that in mind! Thank-you!

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I've owned 39 motorcycles in 45 years of riding, but never yet a Victory. I am really attracted to the simplicity and styling of the Vegas 8-Ball, but have a few questions before I sell my current ride (highly customized Honda VTX 1800 Retro)





to get one, so I thought I'd ask current actual owners:

- Victory even after 14 years has a very small market share. I keep hearing that there are very few dealerships, so pricing tends to be less competitive for bikes, parts, and service. True or not?

- I've heard that finding a Victory dealer when you need one when touring can be hard. True or not? Do non-Victory dealers readily, and competently, work on Victorys?

- I've heard that many Victory parts are often backordered for long periods of time, and so bikes stay unrideable for weeks or months. True or not?

- Every model of any brand of motorcycles has its weaknesses. For example, on my 2002 VTX 1800 Retro, the original fuel pressure regulator is known to be failure prone, so you replace it BEFORE it sfails and fills the enigne crankcase with fuel. What are the common weaknesses on a Vegas 8 Ball? For example, I've heard that the transmissions are not only clunky but sometimes actually break. True?

- Every model of any brand of motorcycle has its idiosyncrasies. For example, on the VTX 1800, the factory air-fuel ratio between 1800 and 2300 rpm is "off" (maybe for emissions compliance?), and requires correction via a Power Commander to eliminate a resultant "shaking" when cruising in that rpm range. What are the idiosyncrasies on a Vegas 8 Ball?

- I rode a Vegas 8 Ball yesterday, and it struck me as remarkably light and nimble (part of that due to my current ride being so big and heavy I'm sure). The 8 Ball sort of reminded me of a 1970 Norton 750 Roadster I owned back in the day - that too was a very nimble and small bike, and STILL one of my favorites of all the bikes I've owned. Is the Vegas 8 Ball physically (not engine displacement) the same overall size as other Victory cruiser (not touring or bagger) models like the Hammer, Jackpot, etc., or is it physically smaller?

- I like the fact that the 8 Ball has hydraulic lifters, so no valve adjustments needed, and no engine coolant changes needed either. What engine maintenance is required beyond oil and filter changes, air filters, and spark plugs?

- My local dealership in Austin, Texas has NO new OR used 8 Balls, and is playing games on the value of my potential trade. Does anyone know of a FAIR dealership in central Texas, that keeps inventory of used 8 Balls?

Jim G
Victory started with the V92. Yes one bike. What you see today is relatively new. After the V92 they produced some 100 ci bikes but never really started pushing bikes until the intro of the 106ci
So considering how long they been giving a good selection of bikes to choose from, they have grown very fast.

Victory has now sold more than 100,000 bikes.
There is a Victory app that shows where all the dealers are in the USA and Canada..

All Victorys made today use the same motor and tranny. The non touring bikes all basically the same bike size wise. The bigger bikes like the x bikes are bigger and heavier. The Vision is different again. Both the vision and x bikes have there own frame.

I have also herd the stories of some poor guy needing service and waiting weeks for a part. I believe that has improved.

As far as week points..... Hmmm ... There really isn't anything that stands out as a common issue on these bikes. Some have had issues other have not. My bike had a rough idle and stall condition just off idle. No one else seemed to have that issue.

If you want to see just how tough these bikes are...... Just take a look at all the Victory Police Bike vids there are on youtube ... They beat the living shit out of those bikes over and over. There is even a vid of the cops riding off road and jumping the bikes. Riding up and down steps and doing it fast and hard... You will not find any other company standing in front of motor cops telling them that Victory is the toughest most reliable bike on the market..
You really need to check it out........

Like you I have had many many bikes over the years. My last bike a Suzuki C90. Nice bike with one big issue..... The charging system could and would let you down.. I made some changes to the regulator for more reliability but you really never knew if or when it would fail. I had to carry a stator with me at all times.... Friends were having issues with there Japanese bikes too. Seemed Japanese quality was falling off. I knew it was time for a change......

I was out with some friends on there Japanese bikes and I have to tell you there is NO COMPARISON.. I didn't realize just how much better a motorcycle the Vic is over what the Japenese have to offer..

This sounds snobby but being on a Victory puts you in a completely different class. The handling, comfort and cool looks are a step above. There is nothing els out there that stands out in a crowd like the Vic's do....

Check out the vids.
Ps I was talking to a motor cop. He was on a Victory Cross Country. He said he hopes he never has to go back to a Harley........


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I bought one of the first XRs Portland and when sealing the deal, the salesman asked if I wanted the extended warranty. I told him I had been lurking on the forums and no one was complaining about breakdowns or service problems and I didn't think I'd get my money's worth out of that warranty. He replied that I was right, I'd just be throwing $$$ at him as all they see Victorys for are accessories and routine maintenance. I got mine in March of 2010, more than three years ago, and they haven't seen my bike except for the 500 service. There's over 14K on the clock and no issues or complaints. Still on the original tires.
I did do one thing to overcome a "weakness" as you put it; I installed EBC HH pads in the front for much better braking performance. Can't say much for the originals.

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I bought one of the first XRs Portland and when sealing the deal, the salesman asked if I wanted the extended warranty. I told him I had been lurking on the forums and no one was complaining about breakdowns or service problems and I didn't think I'd get my money's worth out of that warranty. He replied that I was right, I'd just be throwing $$$ at him as all they see Victorys for are accessories and routine maintenance. I got mine in March of 2010, more than three years ago, and they haven't seen my bike except for the 500 service. There's over 14K on the clock and no issues or complaints. Still on the original tires.
I did do one thing to overcome a "weakness" as you put it; I installed EBC HH pads in the front for much better braking performance. Can't say much for the originals.
Thanks for this info!

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Thanks for this info!

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You're welcome. Many who are contemplating a Victory have come on this forum asking about reliability, especially H-D folks. I was one back then and like those others, I learned that there's nothing to worry about, just ride it and do the regular maintenance and it'll reward you with years of good service.

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