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Looking at shooting my bike. I'm leaning towards house of kolor. Don't have a paint booth so I would be shooting in my driveway or my brothers auto shop. Would that be a major issue?

How much paint would be needed for a kingpin tank fenders side covers and a Memphis batwing?

Also I might have to take the tank down to metal. Would I have fully strip the other tins?

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In a drive way your asking for problems. You need to do it in a closed in area thats clean. You can make you a temp booth from 2x4's as big as you need it and wrap clear plastic around it to keep them clean. you will also need to use a fan to pull the overspray out. Its not a huge deal when spraying the sealer or BC but when you spray the Clear all the overspray will float around and settle back down on the tins making them alittle foggy looking and rough. You can fix this with wet sanding and buffing if that happens though.

As for paint, I use plenty of HOK and its pretty forgiving paint compared to some other stuff.
A pint of paint should be plenty to do what you need. A pint is really a quart ready to spray.
As for stripping the tank, there is no need to strip everything else. You will just have to do more prep work on the tank to get it smooth.

-First off clean with some KC10 wax and grease remover.
-wet sand everything with 600 wet sand paper.
-Clean everything again with KC10 and make sure its clean and the kc10 flashes off before spraying sealer.
-Use a tack cloth to make sure its clean.
-Depending on what color you are spraying would determine the color of sealer to use.
-Spray 2 wet coats of KO-sealer
-wait till the sealer has flashed (30-40min depending on your temp)
-Your now ready to spray your BC.
-Mix your BC 1:1 with RU311 Medium reducer.
-Spray BC till you get your coverage 2-3 coats. Let paint flash off 10 minutes or so between coats.
- After final coat of BC let it flash off for 30-40 minutes just so you dont risk solvent issues when you spray the clear.
- Now mix up your clear UC35 at 2:1:1 2 parts UC35 : 1 part KU 150 : 1 part RU311
- 3 coats of clear should be plenty. you want to wait between coats to where the clear just starts to stop being stringy when you touch it on a area that has tape or something where you wont leave a finger mark. This normally takes about 10 minutes depending on the temp your spraying at.
-let dry 24-36hrs and if you need to wet sand and buff then start with 1500 wet and work to 2000 then 3000 and start buffing to get that car show shine.

As for the bare tank i would spray a good direct to metal high build primer and sand it all smooth and then seal it with the KO-seal

If you run into any problems just give me a shout. Pretty familiar with HOK, PPG, Sikkens, SEM, BASF, DUPONT and a few others.
What color are you shooting and i will let you know if there are any certain way the gun should be setup or a certain way to spray it.
Good luck man and let us see your progress as you get it going.

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For what your going to spend on paint sand paper and tape you would be farther a head going to a painter.
Think of this one run and you have to start all over.
Ride your bike to some shops and talk to them even Macao look on craigslist look under services or run a add on there for painter.
If you do it out side paint at 5 in the morning hanging every thing upside down so dust and bugs will be at the bottom of the parts.

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Like wow that's alot of steps. Don't think I went through that when I painted my fairings. What would think a paint job would run about a grand on average?

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Like wow that's alot of steps. Don't think I went through that when I painted my fairings. What would think a paint job would run about a grand on average?

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Ya there are alot of steps to getting things right. Its all about getting good adhesion so you dont have problems down the road. Once pain is dry and cured you need good mechanical adhesion and by wet sanding with 600 and laying down sealer first you get a really good bite on the old paint surface. Plus epoxy sealers are really good adhesion. This also gives the paint a solid color so that your new color stays uniform. Now once the sealer is on you have a 36hr window to spray your base coat and clear. With in that time frame you get chemical adhesion where the solevent etches into the sealer and becomes much tougher then if you didnt do it this way. Sure you can wet sand everything with 600-1000 and clean it and spray your base coat right then but the paint is more prone to chipping or delaminating.
As for price it really depends on the bike and color. Of course doing a Cross country with full bags and fairing is going to be more then say a vegas that only has fenders, tank, and side panels.
The color also makes a difference. If its just a normal color and not something special then its gonna be cheaper then say victorys Antifreeze green color. With that color its a tri stage paint and requires you to spray the BC and then a mid coat that has the pearl and flake added and then the clear.
Tell me what all you need painted and what color you are wanting it and i can give you what i would charge and you will have a comparison price if you do decide to have it done.
If you decide to do it yourself then i can tell you some pointers on reducer temps, gun setup and whatever else you need to know.
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Thanx man,
Looking at HoK site, Im digging the BC06 Meteor Maroon or the MBC03ff and cf. theres a ton of colors there that could take all day.

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you looking to do house of colors stop go to bank and ask for a loan.
You'll spend $800 just to get the paint thats not the base or cattails and you better have a good gun and air compressor

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you looking to do house of colors stop go to bank and ask for a loan.
You'll spend $800 just to get the paint thats not the base or cattails and you better have a good gun and air compressor
HOK is some of the most reasonable paints out there as far as cost. Sure some of their custom blends get pricey but have you ever looked at what PPG sells some of their custom colors for? PPG has a tri stage chameleon paint that is around 500 a quart! Thats insane. Hok stuff, sure its alittle more expensive then say, ppg's omni line products but it holds up really well and they have a huge selection of paints.
As for having a good gun, yes it will make a difference when spraying pearls, and metallics but on normal base coats i would be money that i could spray a panel with a pos harbor freight 30 dollar hvlp and then spray one with my Sata 4000 and you wouldnt tell a difference. Now spray a heavy metallic or a pearl paint yes you would see a difference.
Its all about getting the gun setup right. Air pressure, tip size, fluid amount, and fan pattern are much more important then the gun when we are talking solid colors. Metallics and pearls and a different story.

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Thanx man,
Looking at HoK site, Im digging the BC06 Meteor Maroon or the MBC03ff and cf. theres a ton of colors there that could take all day.

its a kingpin 8Ball w/ memphis batwing
Both colors are nice looking. The BC06 would be cheaper to do and easier to spray since its not a metallic paint.
The MBC03ff i actually just used a few weeks ago on a bike and it looks amazing in the sun. It is alittle more expensive then the normal BC stuff but not much.
If i where to do the job i would charge you about $1200 for paint and labor on either color cause there isnt much price deference in them to me.
Thats also if the tins are brought into me and i dont have to do the work pulling them from the bike. If i had to pull them and reinstall i would be around $1400
Thats for prep, sealer, colors you chose, clear and buffed.
Airbrushing the names on the tanks are normally 100 bucks more to do.

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Both colors are nice looking. The BC06 would be cheaper to do and easier to spray since its not a metallic paint.
The MBC03ff i actually just used a few weeks ago on a bike and it looks amazing in the sun. It is alittle more expensive then the normal BC stuff but not much.
If i where to do the job i would charge you about $1200 for paint and labor on either color cause there isnt much price deference in them to me.
Thats also if the tins are brought into me and i dont have to do the work pulling them from the bike. If i had to pull them and reinstall i would be around $1400
Thats for prep, sealer, colors you chose, clear and buffed.
Airbrushing the names on the tanks are normally 100 bucks more to do.
That doesn't sound too bad of a number. Thanx again

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