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Hey guys,

I am the owner of a new 2013 8 Ball, I bought it brand new last month from Hernleys in Elizabethtown PA. Ive been riding since I was 12, ( Ill be 24 soon). Raced motorcross, track days all over the east coast on sportbikes, you name it Ive probably been there, so I consider myself an experienced rider, as well as a Mechanic as that is my profession.

Id just like to get that out there so nobody thinks im new to this.

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Within the first 50 miles of a brandnew bike, it shut off on me 4 or 5 times. All of them happen as soon as I pulled in the clutch to downshift. Just shut right off. I took the bike back to the dealer, waited around an hour and was told they found a loose nut on one of the circuits and hopefully it was fixed.

Around a week after that, it has shut off on me several more times, not even 150 miles on the bike yet. Again, each time it happened it was as soon as I pulled the clutch in to down shift. Back to Hernleys.

I took the bike back monday sept 30th. It took over 9 days to get my bike back, as I picked it up October 9th. They told me twice they didnt get a chance to get around to looking at it, and then we had to wait for a part.

I was told they replace the Idle Air Control valve and that, Duane, the owner wanted to talk to me. So we talked, and what he told me was this.

That they went ahead and replaced that part, but it was likely my fault the bike was stalling because;

I AM NOT SUPPOSED TO REV THE BIKE, AT ALL, AS IT CONFUSES THE FUEL INJECTION. DONT REV IT WHEN YOUR SITTING STILL, AND DONT REV IT TO DOWN SHIFT, JUST PULL IN THE CLUTCH AND SHIFT.

Seriously?! I cant rev my bike to down shift??? He said it as if it was a normal thing and no big deal.

Anyway I took the bike home, 15 miles later it has shut off twice, and it is now back firing a good bit, random pops, poor bottom end, as well as throttle responce.

Oddly yesterday while riding I ran into another Vic owner. Bought his bike from the same place, was having similar issues, and got the same story, DONT REV THE BIKE. I thought this was weird.

So today I called two other semi local dealers.

The first I called was not suprised to hear from me, in fact he seemed to know my story before I told it, and said they fixed 8 or 9 bikes, all that were bought from Hernleys within the past few months due to bad service and a rude owner.


He was familiar with my issue and told me that they had seen several fuel injector issues, poor seating of the injector, or bad orings on them, so this may be part of my issue, but he said there is no reason at all why I should not be able to rev the engine for down shifts, as we all know thats what you do with any manual gear box.

Also while my bike was at Hernleys the 2nd time it got a nice scratch on the side cover, probably from someones boot as they went to get off the bike. The owner "buffed it out", well guess what, the scratch is still there and he could care less.

So thats my story.

A brand new bike that runs like crap, serveral people from the same dealer with similiar problems and no help from the origial dealer, and im being told, NOT TO REV THE ENGINE, like its a normal thing for these bikes.

Sorry for the long read, but has anyone had these issues or is aware of a fuel injection issue, electronics problem etc etc? This is a real low blow for me as I have a brand new bike that seems to be getting worse and worse with each mile.

Thanks,
Shane

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Shane,
It's well documented on all the Victory forums that Victorys don't react well to throttle blipping. The problem, as explained by KevinX (respected Victory wrench), is that when the throttle is blipped the computer senses this as a throttle overrun and shuts the bike down. With practice you will learn how to get away with blipping without having to worry about shutdown but since blipping does nothing but waste fuel it may be easier to just break the habit.

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I call bullshit... I blip my throttle all the time. (Ex motocross/Arenacross rider as well). My bike has never died while blipping to downshift. KevinX is a reputable guy on this forum and I believe there is some truth to what he says. That being said this sounds like a more extreme issue. Disconnect your O2 sensors and see if that makes a difference. Since I installed pipes and PCV my 13 Highball blipping is causing some more popping. That could also be cause I am in love with my exhaust sound though and am a blipping fool. Who cares about how much fuel one uses on a motorcycle? Ride for 2 hrs buy more fuel... Just saying.


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Still looking for these "lots of issues"...
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I call bullshit... I blip my throttle all the time.
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Can i ask why a person would blip the throttle on downshift anyway? Not something i have ever done, but yes i heard vics dont like it.

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What fun would a loud powerful motorcycle be if we couldn't blip the throttle? My mechanic tells me once he gets my Vic on the dyno I will be able to blip my ever loving mind out... With minimal to no popping.


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Can i ask why a person would blip the throttle on downshift anyway? Not something i have ever done, but yes i heard vics dont like it.

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I dont know why you wouldnt, you get a perfect smooth down every time. I do it it my car everyday even. Maybe it's the racer in me.
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Well if your riding hard and there is a corner coming up or have to make a quick stop blipping is necessary. If you don't blip you run the risk of a compression slide and loss of control. Talk to any racer and they will give you the same answer. Or just watch a superbike / supercross / motocross / supermotard race.


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Even if I dont blip the throttle, Im still having my other issues as described, popping/back fires, throttle responces, no bottom end...

It would seem the part that Half_Crazy posted a link to describes all those problems I have, so I may have to give that a try.

But explain this to me,

Almost everyother bike make today, weather it be a road or dirtbike, is fuel injected.


Why can I rev the piss out of a fuel injected, $6000.00 Dirtbike, and not have it miss a single beat, but if I even "blip" the throttle of my $14,000 to $20,000 Victory it seems to want to have a hissy fit.

I thought these were supposed to be a big deal, cutting edge,the bees knees, whatever you want to call it, but yet we cant figure out coming up on 40 year old fuel injection technology?
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I'm a blipper (rev matcher), a trick alot of sport riders use to keep the suspension settled for mid corner downshifting, you don't get that front end dive like you do if you just downshift. It's just habit for alot of guys, me included. I have found on Vics though at slower speeds like rolling up to a stop sign it doesn't like to be blipped and somewhat pukes on itself, I just figured it had to do with cylinder size and the fact that the IAC acts like a big vaccum leak when off the throttle...

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