CW's Indian Chieftain vs HD SG - Victory Forums - Victory Motorcycle Forum
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
post #1 of 29 (permalink) Old 12-03-2013, 08:27 AM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
slickvic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,728
Default CW's Indian Chieftain vs HD SG

Just wondering if anyone read this Article comparison in the Jan14 edition of Cycle World. Chieftain vs. Street Glide. I especially loved the surprise ending. I wont mention it now in case you have not read it. I just thought it was humorous. Peter Egan wrote a complete and fair evaluation of these two wonderful machines. What I liked most about the comparison was how Indian was given kudos to their fit n finish, Motor sound, and overall power and smoothness. An attribute that HD has enjoyed for years minus the power and smoothness of course. These are great times for American motorcycles again in our lives and I'm glad to be here and still young enough to see what comes down the pike next. Maybe Polaris does have more up their sleeves for Victory. An improved drive train? different styling?
Something to ponder while some of us wait out the winter season. In the mean time check out CW's Jan 14 Rag. Good read!

2011 Cross Country. D&D's wrapped - VM1DR cams - PC5 - LLoyds high performance filter and ATS (Adjustable Timing system). Power output 115HP/115FTLBS tuned by KMC. Klock Werks flip shield - RF/PBR300x4 amp - Hertz HCX 6.5's - Victory 6X9 Magnum Lids - Victory XM - HMD Black Pull Backs with Victory performance grips. PIAA Led3 driving lights. accessories from Arlen ness - Witch Doctors - Noemtz Designs - Kuryakyn. Blacked out treatment powder Coat by PPC Stuart fl.
slickvic is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 29 (permalink) Old 12-03-2013, 07:23 PM
Senior Member
 
TNXR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: East Tennessee
Posts: 2,299
Default

Got mine in the mail yesterday and got around to reading it this evening. I agree that it was a very fair and interesting article. I was actually impressed with the power comparisons with HD winning out in most sections with the exception of the 40 to 60 roll on. The Indian's power really shows in that comparison. It also got me wondering how the X bikes compare, going to have to dig up one of my past CW mags to see.

2011 Cross Roads Sunset Red
OEM short windshield, passenger backrest, crash bars, saddle bag bars, heated grips, vinyl closeouts, tachometer, ambient temp, LED headlight, luggage rack. WD lay down licence plate.
TNXR is offline  
post #3 of 29 (permalink) Old 12-03-2013, 08:14 PM
Lifetime Premium
 
half_crazy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Southern Maryland
Posts: 4,866
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TNXR View Post
Got mine in the mail yesterday and got around to reading it this evening. I agree that it was a very fair and interesting article. I was actually impressed with the power comparisons with HD winning out in most sections with the exception of the 40 to 60 roll on. The Indian's power really shows in that comparison. It also got me wondering how the X bikes compare, going to have to dig up one of my past CW mags to see.
40-60 the Indian was 1.9 seconds quicker... 60-80 the Indian was 1.6 seconds quicker. The HD won the 1/4 mile drag race by .14 seconds because it's lighter and makes the same horsepower.

The article is scanned here...
http://www.indianmotorcyclecommunity...42020&p=592101

Power output:
HD 76.8 HP @ 4820rpm and 97.1 ft lbs @ 3520rpm
Indian 75.6 HP @ 4160rpm and 107.5 ft lbs @ 2860rpm

Weight:
HD 780 lbs tank empty
Indian 827 lbs tank empty

Quarter mile Times:
HD 13.29 @ 97.32mph
Indian [email protected] 96.34mph

Top gear roll on:
40-60 mph
HD 7.0
Indian 5.1

60-80 mph
HD 7.6 seconds
Indian 6.0 seconds

2006 Victory Kingpin
Lloydz 116" Stroker/Big Bore, .495 Cams, Torque Tubes Airbox,
RPW Thor Pipe, Lloydz ECU Flash, PC-III, PTS (-2), Rivera
Primo Clutch Spring, 31 Tooth Pulley w/Buell Belt.
half_crazy is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 29 (permalink) Old 12-03-2013, 09:43 PM
Senior Member
 
Oldman47's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Central Illinois
Posts: 1,414
Default

The stats are interesting but who in their right mind does a top gear roll on at 40 MPH? Can you define extreme lugging?

Present ride - 2013 Victory Vision, black, ATW at +3, Lloydz air filter and adjustable intake, PC5, 30,xxx miles
Oldman47 is offline  
post #5 of 29 (permalink) Old 12-03-2013, 10:48 PM
Lifetime Premium
 
half_crazy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Southern Maryland
Posts: 4,866
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldman47 View Post
The stats are interesting but who in their right mind does a top gear roll on at 40 MPH? Can you define extreme lugging?
I would guess they didn't do that in 6th... probably just a typo

2006 Victory Kingpin
Lloydz 116" Stroker/Big Bore, .495 Cams, Torque Tubes Airbox,
RPW Thor Pipe, Lloydz ECU Flash, PC-III, PTS (-2), Rivera
Primo Clutch Spring, 31 Tooth Pulley w/Buell Belt.
half_crazy is online now  
post #6 of 29 (permalink) Old 12-03-2013, 11:08 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Springfield, Oregon
Posts: 827
Default

Interesting numbers.

Indian ------827 lbs ---tank empty

Victory CC 760 lbs
XCT ------- 845 lbs
Vision ------869 lbs
orbiker is offline  
post #7 of 29 (permalink) Old 12-04-2013, 04:13 AM
Lifetime Premium
 
saddlebag's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Dayton, Ohio
Posts: 5,632
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldman47 View Post
The stats are interesting but who in their right mind does a top gear roll on at 40 MPH? Can you define extreme lugging?
Who buys an air cooled bagger to sassify a quest for ultimate power?

I've ridden an Indian. Plenty of guys here would probably like its low end delivery. I prefer (what I perceive to be) the stonger top end of my XR. Indian feels breathless up top, but a pipe and filter would probably fix that.

How about the comfort, mileage, handling, features, warranties etc? The link to the article lead me to a forum that prevented me from opening it. I tried to create an account to see it, but it wouldn't allow that either.

Every article and every forum poster seems to gush over how improved the new Harley tourers are except for MCN who was still pretty critical of its behavior under stress. Granted, most touring riders don't ride like the MCN testers, but it'd be nice to know if the new Harleys really do buckle under pressure of if they just got a lemon.

Update:
I got in the Injun site and read the article which clipped the musings about the Harley.

Just from the spec sheet, I'd say Harley has the Indian matched or bettered in everything except high speed braking, alternator output, rear wheel travel, which is a ridiculous 2.1" and perhaps its use of bias ply tires. Like several Vic spoked bikes, Indian choose to use a bias ply E3 on its mag rim at the front, why?

I don't get the price listed for the Harley in the article. For a solid SG, Harley lists the price as $20,399. Since the Indian is also a solid color I'd think that is a fair comparison. If they chose the more expensive SG with the home theatre system in the fairing, I think that's an specious comparison since the Chiefton does not have such a fancy human/machine interface. So given that the test rider found the Harley more comfortable, better handling, longer warranty, better mileage, correcting for the price factor, and neglecting Harley's reputation for its lack of reliablity, I'd say the Harley with some aftermarket shocks is the better buy. The Harley riding author preferred the Indian. So much for riding spec sheets...




https://www.victoryforums.com/signaturepics/sigpic6903_1.gif
2011 Cross Roads

Last edited by saddlebag; 12-04-2013 at 05:10 AM.
saddlebag is offline  
post #8 of 29 (permalink) Old 12-04-2013, 05:04 AM
Senior Member
 
SilentUnicorn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Vermont
Posts: 580
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by half_crazy View Post
40-60 the Indian was 1.9 seconds quicker... 60-80 the Indian was 1.6 seconds quicker. The HD won the 1/4 mile drag race by .14 seconds because it's lighter and makes the same horsepower.

The article is scanned here...
http://www.indianmotorcyclecommunity...42020&p=592101

Power output:
HD 76.8 HP @ 4820rpm and 97.1 ft lbs @ 3520rpm
Indian 75.6 HP @ 4160rpm and 107.5 ft lbs @ 2860rpm

Weight:
HD 780 lbs tank empty
Indian 827 lbs tank empty

Quarter mile Times:
HD 13.29 @ 97.32mph
Indian [email protected] 96.34mph

Top gear roll on:
40-60 mph
HD 7.0
Indian 5.1

60-80 mph
HD 7.6 seconds
Indian 6.0 seconds

Was there a cost comparison?

'12 Vegas, 78 Bonneville, 69 BSA project.
SilentUnicorn is offline  
post #9 of 29 (permalink) Old 12-04-2013, 05:41 AM
Senior Member
 
TNXR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: East Tennessee
Posts: 2,299
Default

I have never really trusted what Polaris posts for the dry weights of the Victorys(dry weight).
XR - 745
HB - 758 (why does it weigh 13lbs more than a XR?)
XRC - 772 (does the bars and windshied make it 27lbs heavier than a XR)
XC - 765 (why does it weigh less than a XRC, it has a full fairing and crash bars)
XCT - 845 lbs (I guess the 80 extra pounds over the XC comes from the trunk and hard lowers)
I've got a rock query near my house and plan on stopping by there and using their scales to see what my XR (with windshield, front and rear guards, sissy bar, and hardbags) really weighs.

2011 Cross Roads Sunset Red
OEM short windshield, passenger backrest, crash bars, saddle bag bars, heated grips, vinyl closeouts, tachometer, ambient temp, LED headlight, luggage rack. WD lay down licence plate.
TNXR is offline  
post #10 of 29 (permalink) Old 12-04-2013, 06:11 AM
Lifetime Premium
 
saddlebag's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Dayton, Ohio
Posts: 5,632
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TNXR View Post
I have never really trusted what Polaris posts for the dry weights of the Victorys(dry weight).
XR - 745
HB - 758 (why does it weigh 13lbs more than a XR?)
XRC - 772 (does the bars and windshied make it 27lbs heavier than a XR)
XC - 765 (why does it weigh less than a XRC, it has a full fairing and crash bars)
XCT - 845 lbs (I guess the 80 extra pounds over the XC comes from the trunk and hard lowers)
I've got a rock query near my house and plan on stopping by there and using their scales to see what my XR (with windshield, front and rear guards, sissy bar, and hardbags) really weighs.
My 23" XR windscreen in the chrome frame with a Goldwing vent in it weighs < 10 lbs.

Leather on the bags must weigh 17 lbs.




https://www.victoryforums.com/signaturepics/sigpic6903_1.gif
2011 Cross Roads
saddlebag is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Victory Forums - Victory Motorcycle Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools Search this Thread
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome