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post #1 of 7 (permalink) Old 06-17-2011, 11:16 AM Thread Starter
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Default Rumor on water cooler for harley getting stronger

At least 5 years that the rumor comes and go. But this time the rumor that Harley-Davidson would release very soon a liquid cooled line up, or at least a few models, is stronger than ever. Some even speculate that the 2012 models year could be Harley-Davidson historic switch from air to liquid cooled motorcycles.

All rumors have an origin and this one comes from the fact that years ago the entire motorcycle industry already knew that future emissions regulations would get more stringent and that air cooled motorcycle engines, sooner or later, would not be able to meet the new standards established by the government. Change in engine design to meet these standards while providing the extra horsepower that bikers want has already created a generation of air cooled bikes running hotter and hotter. And of course, all manufacturers are concerned by the risk of an overheating engine with the damage which could result.

Harley-Davidson, like all manufacturers, is always working on prototypes. From time to time I receive info about some of these projects with the author assuring me, of course, that his or her source(s) is the most reliable. During these last months I got several precise descriptions, not all in agreements, of what type engine Harley engineers are supposedly working on. An uncovered secret prototype warehouse, spy drawing or pictures, even documents filed by Harley-Davidson with CARB (California Air Resources Board) and EPA to request certification are never enough to be certain that a prototype will go in production.

So, why the rumor of a possible release of a complete liquid engine Harley-Davidson line up is stronger now than ever? Of course because we are close to the reveal of the 2012 models, but also because year 2013 is the new deadline for all manufacturers to abide by new much tougher EPA regulations. I need to mention that EPA doesn’t regulate engines and the way to make them, but emissions. It means that all motorcycle manufacturers have different options to meet all Federal regulations, with for Harley-Davidson an extra huge constraint: continuing to make any new engine sound … like a Harley…(to follow)
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post #2 of 7 (permalink) Old 06-18-2011, 09:56 AM
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The EPa list already came out. No liquid cooling. 103s across the board though for engines.
Most dealers already have bikes on order for July 20th delivery.
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There were rumors that Harley was gonna put the V Rod motor in a comfy bagger - I would buy that........just rumor.
Most hard core Harley guys call the V Rod a girls bike and don't want that motor in there bikes......
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V-Rod a girls bike? Did they bump their heads? The V-Rod will our run every other Harley; the only way they could consider it a girls bike is if they sent their wife or girlfriend ahead on a V-Rod so she could dinner ready by te time they made it home. I have heard that Sportsters are girls bikes but never V-Rods.

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The EPa list already came out. No liquid cooling. 103s across the board though for engines.
Most dealers already have bikes on order for July 20th delivery.
Well; that falls in line with what I've been hearing for a couple years now. 2013 should be the year they debut the, other than straight air-cooled, motor.

I still think it'll be a hybrid of air and some kind of coolant whether that coolant will be anti-freeze or oil; I dunno. I'm betting the cylinders still have the fins and at first blush; most people couldn't tell the difference in looks or sound. I guess we'll see next year (maybe).
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I think it's a great idea. Surprised Victory isn't ahead of the game and coming out with one. Start on the Vision and then move it down the line up. I love air cooled as much as the next guy but at the end of the day liquid cooling is coming. As long as the Radiators are packaged nicely I am all for it.
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Here is a link to an article on the patent they filed. Looks like a really good way to add liquid cooling.

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news...nt/#more-22967
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