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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 01-06-2014, 09:28 AM Thread Starter
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Okay...just did a back to back comparo of a 2013 Judge (in black with Victory Performance straights fitted)
Scored the ride as part of Victory Australia's "Weekend Escape " promo,
a Vic, a tank of Premium, and a $200 voucher for Best Western Hotel.
Can't go wrong there!
Picked Judge up 9am Sat morning and was back home at 11am throwing toothbrush, socks, n' undies in a backpack for the girl to wear, it was stinking hot weather (hottest summer on record) still donned my leather jacket regardless.
There was a 1% club Poker Run kicking off at midday and my plan was we ride with them till the southernmost stop then head west when they head back north...turned out a good plan.
the Black Victory Judge certainly drew some attention on the run, and for me after 2500 miles over the past month on my 2010 Vegas climbing onto the Judge was an almost traditional riding position that inspired hard riding, the bike had 513 kilometers on it when I picked it up and I mentioned that where I planned going that weekend would put it past its first service, they said itd be ok so off I went.
Dont use 6th gear under 100ks (60mph) was the instructions.
Obviously...I know not to lug an engine thats being run in, thought they wouldve done the first service before giving me the bike tho.
Impressions...felt very stable on the road the fat 16" wheel and harder springing inspiring solid confidence, clutch lever lighter than my Vegas, pipes sounded rorty once past 2500 or backing off, but nowhere near as rorty as my short slash pipes.
My seating position felt ok, somewhat reminiscent of my old XS650,
My passenger had her doubts about the rear accomodation though and her doubts proved real, tho she loved the bike and is a bit of a massochist at heart (she'd have to be to hang around with me )
Im sure the better padded touring seat wouldve been better, and we did cover a fair bit of ground over two days, almost 600 miles and over some very rough sections of road, and some beautiful sections too I must say, the road out from Lismore thru Casino, Drake and then the section Drake to Tenterfield just magic corners, stayed overnight in Tenterfield using our voucher at the Best Western there
the Henry Parkes Hotel, a very nice establishment with biker friendly management, nice clean room ,with spa, and parking for the bike at the front door.
The Vegas was a joy to ride tho it did scrape the pegs quite a bit on tighter corners, the riding position inspires confidence and no bumps or undulations could throw us off course.
Must admit I couldnt feel the extra 6 cubes over my 100 cube ride, and actually jumping straight onto mine on our return Sunday arvo, my bike felt like it had a bit more grunt. (Illusion from the loud pipes)..maybe..but I think not)...motor still felt strong and got better the more I rode it, had just under 1500 ks on when I handed it back this morning....Would I buy it? well yes and no...not at the expense of my Vegas and certainly as a second bike, not that I can afford to do that.
Getting back on my Vegas the softer springing the laid back riding position and the grunt and sound was welcoming.
I'd had this Judge test ride booked a few weeks before I actually bought my Vegas but as I was initially attracted to a Judge in the first place when the ride offer came through I gladly accepted it.
It cemented my decision to buy the Vegas, maybe Im getting old but the comfort factor and the fact my female friend loves the touring rear seat on my Vegas was overwhelming
Running a tape measure under both bikes back at my workshop showed both to have 5" ground clearance measured to the frame rail, tho strangely the JUDGE scraped a lot more over my favourite 23 km windy road than the Vegas and my point to point time on the judge was 12 mins versus 16 mins on my Vegas but it was getting darkish and the threat of kangaroos had me riding much more sedate.
I feel in daylight I could match the Judges time, and not riding stupid.
Fitted he touring backrest to my Vegas this arvo, that combined with the touring pillion seat and pegs, along with the saddlebags Ive successfully rigged up makes the Vegas an even better touring proposition...By the way I fitted the Victory accessory tachometer as per the instructions and its working well...all the spare plugs were inside the headlight shell so it wasnt a drama...
Got me wondering tho?...what are the other 'spare' connections in there going nowhere...what else could I fit just by plugging in and mounting??
It was great ride/adventure weekend, thanks to Victory Australias fantastic offer, some fantastic roads, a willing partner who copped some horrendous bumps here and there, I really did try to miss em where possible but our roads are goat tracks in places.
Way past my bedtime here so will sign out........oh just one thing the LO OIL came on the dash around 1000 ks mark after refueling , upon checking and hey had to borrow a shifter to undo the dipstick! it was so tight!....showed down to first mark, added 20 fl ounces of JASO MA to bring it up to level............anyone else find oil consumption on a fresh motor??? could be normal,...dealers said oil is a consumable.
Well they do stock one quart bottles at the dealership as well as 5 quart ones...makes you wonder hey?
still showed low on dash after topping up so maybe a dealer reset after first service?
bedtime now

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Lloydz 109"cube big bore
" " 495 cams
" " TorqueTubes
" " timing wheel @4 deg.
" " Primary plate
" " IAV
RPW Slash pipes
PCV
Progressive 465 rear shock
Kingpin USD Forks
18" XC front wheel
1 3/4" 'Burleigh Bars'
Stebel air horn
12.106 @110.90mph
114/123

Victory Cross Country 2010 (106)
Lloyds air filter
" " VM1 Cams
Home gutted exhaust
Maximus
Both tuned by [email protected] Dyno
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I assume the poker run was south of the border? For the benefit of our American friends their is a new anti-biker law in Queensland whereas more than 3 members of an outlawed organisation (could be a lawn bowls club but targeted at 1% clubs) cannot associate in public or even in their clubhouse. Presumption of innocence is bye-bye and non-1% dudes are being harassed as well.

Who don't take their feet off the footrests now and then to have a stretch? Come to think of it, I don't do it on the Hammer but I have done on just about every other bike I've had.
To the OP all the wiring on steel frame bikes is, as I understand, the same across all models. So anything Vic sells as an accessory (heated grips, running lights etc) will have a place to plug it in.
Glad you're enjoying the Vegas, a mate just bought one and he is rapt. I'm like a pig in shit with my Hammer, 10 months on.
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Yes Andy, south of the border tho the start was literally spitting distance from the border being at Tweed Heads (tho theres probably a fine for spitting)....$146 for stretching your legs!...faaark
Big Brother (Orwellian not TV show) really is watching.
Back to the positive...had a great run, no dramas no hassles, no nuns were raped, no chooks violated, tho a bit of dust was raised in one pub carpark.
Crashbars and spotlights could be next on my list as well as getting more light out of the existing unit via better globes?
My 'Burleigh Bars" are being polished as we speak and will really give the Vegas some presence as well as improve the 'rideability', rode today and tach works fine, O/D light it handy and 2000 rpm a nice 'sweet spot'...indicating an idle of 1100rpm tho?
ok for now its back to work...

Victory Vegas 2010
Lloydz 109"cube big bore
" " 495 cams
" " TorqueTubes
" " timing wheel @4 deg.
" " Primary plate
" " IAV
RPW Slash pipes
PCV
Progressive 465 rear shock
Kingpin USD Forks
18" XC front wheel
1 3/4" 'Burleigh Bars'
Stebel air horn
12.106 @110.90mph
114/123

Victory Cross Country 2010 (106)
Lloyds air filter
" " VM1 Cams
Home gutted exhaust
Maximus
Both tuned by [email protected] Dyno
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Hey Chris, interesting and helpful comparison - glad you had a memorable and safe trip on the JUDGE.
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Andy, looks like your another VICTIM of our precious boys in blue Revenue Raising - or should I say RAPING bikers of money for a desperate and greedy State Government. I've owned 13 bikes and on everyone I stretched my legs because us bikers are humans not robots!!
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Some great roads there, all riding around Lismore is pretty good, a good report.

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and here's a few pix of the Judge at various locations on my test ride
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Victory Vegas 2010
Lloydz 109"cube big bore
" " 495 cams
" " TorqueTubes
" " timing wheel @4 deg.
" " Primary plate
" " IAV
RPW Slash pipes
PCV
Progressive 465 rear shock
Kingpin USD Forks
18" XC front wheel
1 3/4" 'Burleigh Bars'
Stebel air horn
12.106 @110.90mph
114/123

Victory Cross Country 2010 (106)
Lloyds air filter
" " VM1 Cams
Home gutted exhaust
Maximus
Both tuned by [email protected] Dyno
110/116

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more pix of Judge 106
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Victory Vegas 2010
Lloydz 109"cube big bore
" " 495 cams
" " TorqueTubes
" " timing wheel @4 deg.
" " Primary plate
" " IAV
RPW Slash pipes
PCV
Progressive 465 rear shock
Kingpin USD Forks
18" XC front wheel
1 3/4" 'Burleigh Bars'
Stebel air horn
12.106 @110.90mph
114/123

Victory Cross Country 2010 (106)
Lloyds air filter
" " VM1 Cams
Home gutted exhaust
Maximus
Both tuned by [email protected] Dyno
110/116

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Good dalek

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Yeah, they sort of go together both being Black.
Its actually a mailbox on the side of the road between Tenterfield and Glen Innes NSW.
Heres a few more...
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Victory Vegas 2010
Lloydz 109"cube big bore
" " 495 cams
" " TorqueTubes
" " timing wheel @4 deg.
" " Primary plate
" " IAV
RPW Slash pipes
PCV
Progressive 465 rear shock
Kingpin USD Forks
18" XC front wheel
1 3/4" 'Burleigh Bars'
Stebel air horn
12.106 @110.90mph
114/123

Victory Cross Country 2010 (106)
Lloyds air filter
" " VM1 Cams
Home gutted exhaust
Maximus
Both tuned by [email protected] Dyno
110/116

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