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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 07-10-2011, 11:08 AM Thread Starter
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Question What is the allure to the teeth-rattling Harley ride?

Ok, so I can easily admit that the Harley marketing, and peer-influence really has worn me down.

I want a Harley.

I have searched up and down for models that appeal to me (aside from the V-Rod Muscle which would compete for love with my beloved Hammer S) and I'm so wishy-washy on most models. However, I did find two I really dig, and both are Dyna models.

Screamin' Eagle Dyna from 07/08 which I think is one of the most beautiful bikes ever made:




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So I finally found a Screamin Eagle Dyna last week and took it for a ride. I was fully expecting the ride to live up to the look, and was ready to take her home. But then.... OMG

The bike felt and sounded like it was falling apart. Up until I hit 40mph it felt like it would barely stay running, and I was fully expecting parts to randomly start falling off onto the road behind me. It was that bad. It felt like a 76 Pinto with a blown cylinder...

It was also heavy to the left. Each stop, I would put my feet down, and the bike leaned hard to the left. I found out later it was due to the weight of the wide primary on the left side of the bike. It was totally imbalanced.


I suppose I've been taking the Hammer's smoothness for granted. I had no idea how UNsmooth a bike could really be. Now bear in mind that this bike used was $19,000, and when it was new it was $30,000!!! Drop $30k on a bike that feels like it's ready to break down? No thanks.

So I talked to a few Harley employees and they said that this is typical of all Harleys except for the Softail and V-Rod due to the rubber mounted engine. The Softail is the only Harley V-Twin that is counterbalanced, and any Dyna model I'm interested in would feel and act the same.

Sorry, I just don't get it. I'll be sticking with Victory....

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I think as is with Victory you get used to the idiosyncrasies of a model.

Our bikes are not perfect either. I've never ridden an HD but I hear and read that they are smoother than Victory's when they get up to speed.

HP and TQ are not a factor to many people.

That bike in the picture is sweet!
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Sounds to me like Diamond needs to go the same route as BanditSRT8 did. Go test ride one Diamond! Do it! :-)

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Well I hear ya. I'm one for power, I was thinking of getting a harley once. A friend of mine has the fat bob and when I was beside him on my sport bike at a red light he was bouncing all over the place. I asked if that was normal, he said yup. I would have put up with the paint shaker if it had the power to back up the roughness..... it doesn't. My buddy now shows a bit of envy when I'm beside him with my vegas. The smooth idling...... and leaving him in the dust every time.

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This is also how I came to decide on victory: I test rode a dyna. I love the look, I love the size and cornering clearance, but I do not love the vibration. The idle vibe was ok. Even the cruise vibe was fine. What got me was the engine braking vibe. Felt like the rear tire was chattering all over the pavement. I couldn't imagine what that would feel like even in a moderate lean.

It's true the softails vibe significantly less with the counterbalancers, but unfortunately the chassis isn't as good and rigid as the dyna.

For those that haven't ridden a dyna yet, go ride one and see. Its not at all subtle or idiosyncratic. It's downright perplexing.

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When making my final decision on the XC, I test rode an 2010 Ultra Classic. I felt as though I was a primate attempting to commit a sexual act upon a football . . .

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When making my final decision on the XC, I test rode an 2010 Ultra Classic. I felt as though I was a primate attempting to commit a sexual act upon a football . . .
so, you're saying, it was awkward?

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What got me was the engine braking vibe. Felt like the rear tire was chattering all over the pavement. I couldn't imagine what that would feel like even in a moderate lean.
You nailed it, and I forgot to mention this earlier. The downshifting was downright scary.

What was worse, was the fact it was the uber-powerful 110 motor, and I was starting to get into the power when a car came out of nowhere and I needed to come to a fairly quick stop... with what had to be the worst brakes EVER.

So as I realize the brakes weren't doing really anything I begin to realy grab the front and nearly stand on the rear... all while downshifting like mad... and I BARELY stopped before plowing into that car.

Just too many things to hate about the bike. Shame, it's so gorgeous. I'll stick with my smooth riding, dual-disc Brembo equipped ole Vic I suppose

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... I test rode an 2010 Ultra Classic. I felt as though I was a primate attempting to commit a sexual act upon a football . . .

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You nailed it, and I forgot to mention this earlier. The downshifting was downright scary.

What was worse, was the fact it was the uber-powerful 110 motor, and I was starting to get into the power when a car came out of nowhere and I needed to come to a fairly quick stop... with what had to be the worst brakes EVER.

So as I realize the brakes weren't doing really anything I begin to realy grab the front and nearly stand on the rear... all while downshifting like mad... and I BARELY stopped before plowing into that car.

Just too many things to hate about the bike. Shame, it's so gorgeous. I'll stick with my smooth riding, dual-disc Brembo equipped ole Vic I suppose
That's actually really interesting that you said that, because honestly that was the ONLY thing I liked about the dyna more than every victory I test rode! I think the victory brakes are absolute crap. That's why I went with a dual disc setup and I still think it's horrible. I am looking into other pads or even carbon discs/pads.

How many HD's did you ride? I wonder if it was a fluke? Every one I rode had pretty strong brakes (for a cruiser).

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