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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old 02-25-2014, 05:48 PM Thread Starter
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I came across this and thought it was interesting, especially for guys running tubes in their tires:

http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/...ealants_102346

"Sealants can be poured into a tubeless tire when mounting it, or they can be injected through the valve of a tube or tubeless tire."

"If a sealant is used in a tube tire that subsequently gets a puncture, you must remove the penetrating object or it will flex in the tire, continually un-sealing the hole and shredding the tube."

Sounds like it might provide a reasonable, low cost insurance policy.




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My only concern would be balance. Tire slime works great in tractor tires, but you will be moving at significantly higher speed. The slime will eventually redistribute all through the tire, but depending on how long bike sits and temp, could take a little whole to redistribute, causing an possibly dangerous unbalanced condition. Just my thoughts.

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My only concern would be balance. Tire slime works great in tractor tires, but you will be moving at significantly higher speed. The slime will eventually redistribute all through the tire, but depending on how long bike sits and temp, could take a little whole to redistribute, causing an possibly dangerous unbalanced condition. Just my thoughts.
Yeah, I've read that the Slime has chemicals that harm the wheel over time, not that that would be a problem in a tube. But there are several other providers of different kinds as was stated in the article I linked.

Some goos are latex based and some use fiber laced liquids. If you read some of the maker's web sites, they are very light, don't require a lot, and coat the outer diameter of its container in a very few revolutions. And it is more like a gel that adheres there unless left to sit for a very long period of time. But even if it does gather back into liquid at the bottom after some time, a few revs and its supposedly evenly dispersed again.

Personally, I'd be afraid to stray to far from civilization on tube tires. I'd sure like to see a demo of this stuff in a tube. May change my mind.




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Saddlebag, I read article and my greatest concern is differences in speed in a bicycle vs. motorcycle. They also talk about periodically cleaning out the sealant as it's water or glycol base dry and become ineffective. Sounds like work to drop tire to clean sealant to ensure it works. You'll already be there to put the new tire on. I do see how this could be appealing for a tire puncture occurring while on the road. This would help you get somewhere to stop and make permanent repair/replacement. I believe a tpms would be of equal help in identifying a flat while riding, and infinitely less work to maintain.

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Saddlebag, I read article and my greatest concern is differences in speed in a bicycle vs. motorcycle. They also talk about periodically cleaning out the sealant as it's water or glycol base dry and become ineffective. Sounds like work to drop tire to clean sealant to ensure it works. You'll already be there to put the new tire on. I do see how this could be appealing for a tire puncture occurring while on the road. This would help you get somewhere to stop and make permanent repair/replacement. I believe a tpms would be of equal help in identifying a flat while riding, and infinitely less work to maintain.
The TPMS might make a good goo companion.

One part of the article that I pasted stated that the object had to be removed to prevent it from ripping the tube. If you watch some of the demos with this stuff, as a nail goes in, the goo seals around it pretty quick. If it lost enough air during this time, the TPMS might alert one to check for trouble.

Without a TPMS, if you picked something up in the tire and the goo seals the tube, you may not realize the tire has been damaged and continue riding thereby damaging the tube beyond repair anyway.

Screw it, I'll stick with mags, tubeless tires, a tire patch kit, and a compressor.




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Just installed a set of Avon Cobras. I removed the wheels and took them to my favorite shop where they removed the E3s that had Ride-On in them. Sure enough, the goo was on the rims and had to be cleaned off. Although he recommended it to me, Mark, the shop owner, now has his doubts about Ride-On. Customers, including me, who go over 70 mph frequently, complained of imbalance and some said it didn't seal around a puncture. Now he's back to recommending Dyna-Beads and I had them installed. Got to take the bike out for a ride and get her over 70. Wow! Smooth! Even before I put the Ride-On in the E3s, they were never smooth running and the Ride-On helped, but not over 70. I'm lovin' my Cobras already.

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I use copper BB's (similar to DynaBeads) to balance the tires in my truck, works great. They are kinda fluid, like the goo would be. I regularly run highway speeds as well.

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I put ride-on in the tubed tires on my 900 Vulcan, because my friend, that owns the Harley shop was praising the balancing and puncture resistance properties. He said he puts it in all the tires he installs! I didn't notice any difference after the ride-on. Have not tested the puncture sealing properties, but it does offer some peace of mind. The 9 does not like high speed, so I can't say what happens at 70+. Don't think all use it in the Vic, as I can't seem to keep it under 70mph!!

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Here are some observations from more than a decade in the automotive tire business:

sealant can indeed cause an unbalanced condition. I learned that in my early days trying in vain to spin balance a tire for a very long time before I finally ended up telling the customer I couldn't get it to zero out, and he admitted he'd put Fix-a-Flat (specifically that brand) in it.

They do work. In fact, they can work so well that when you take the tire in to get it repaired, the tire tech might never find the puncture if you've removed whatever made the hole.

Slime sort of gels and does so fairly quickly, but it would still take days to dry out. Fix-a-flat can take weeks.

They can corrode alloy and steel wheels. The steel rusts, but that's not too big a problem. Alloys however can have chrome plating or clearcoat start to peel, which can result in constant bead leakage.

Tire techs the world over curse you enthusiastically if you don't share with them that you've put a sealant in the tire, and they manage to get it all over themselves, their tire machine, and the shop floor.

I cannot speak to its effectiveness in a tubed tire since I just don't get many innertubes crossing my path, but the advice about removing the foreign object from the tire/tube is sound reasoning, and I don't see why a viscous sealant like Slime couldn't get the job done.

All that said, I have used it, I will use it again if need be, because sometimes that's what it takes to get on up the road and get the tire repaired or replaced.

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I put ride-on in the tubed tires on my 900 Vulcan, because my friend, that owns the Harley shop was praising the balancing and puncture resistance properties. He said he puts it in all the tires he installs! I didn't notice any difference after the ride-on. Have not tested the puncture sealing properties, but it does offer some peace of mind. The 9 does not like high speed, so I can't say what happens at 70+. Don't think all use it in the Vic, as I can't seem to keep it under 70mph!!
I posted virtually the same thing back when my tire man recommended Ride-On. Now he doesn't and is thinking of getting it out of his shop because of customer complaints.
Tang, do you live near Old Emigrant Hill Road?

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