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1--Harley Davidson makes the absolute best painted motorcycles in the world. If what you want is a bike with the best paint in the world, HD is on your list. R&D is not going into technogoly--it must be going into the paint. The 2014 Heritage rides just like the 2003 Heritage. The 2014 Sportster rides like my 2005 Sporty. My 2006 Road King is just---well, you get the point.

2--I have been telling the wife she can get a dog if I get an new Indian. After riding one, I took the offer off the table. I was very under-impressed. The engine and transmission are wonderful, but the bike I rode did not fit my 6'1" 235 lb frame. It was not as cramped as the Sportster, but it was not comfortable to me at all. I was going to ride other models, but it was not worth the wait. It may have been a different seat--this one had a backrest and I was so far forward I could not enjoy it at all. The throttle lag was VERY noticeable to me and a real put off. The transmission is light years ahead of my Vic. The Thunderstroke engine and transmission combo--along with Harley paint mounted on my XR would make my Cross Roads the perfect bike.

3--Without a doubt, the bike that impressed me the most---(I am ashamed to admit this because I have been bashing it like everybody else)---The Gunner!!!! I made the same comments that it is not a new bike as advertised. I said it is just a Vegas with different tins. Well, I am here to tell you that I ate a lot of crow in 15 short minutes. It is not a Vegas, Hammer, Judge, or Boardwalk. THIS BIKE PULLS STRONGER THAN ANY CRUISER I HAVE RIDEN. The 109 ft lbs of torque and lighter weight was a difference I did not expect. The geometry or tire size--or something makes it handle more like a sportbike than a cruiser. It turns quicker and leans further than any cruiser I have been on. I don't know what changes to the engine there is that makes it different, but it is the hardest pulling, best handling Victory made. The down side is that it is not made to fit every biker. It is not an all day ride. It will only take one person at a time. The guy on the Hammer behind me could not keep up. He came up to talk after the ride and was telling me how HE was impressed watching and trying to keep up with me on the Hammer. I asked what he rode --- he said "Harley dresser, but not for long. I will be riding that in a few weeks". He was pointing at the XC and grinning. I told him my stories about switching from Harley to Vic and he agreed. He was riding everything at the Vic tent and had his mind made up on the Cross Country. I had to leave, but he was going out again-- he was going on the Gunner.

Anyway, my point is that I was judging the Gunner before I rode it. It does not fit my style, but if a bag of money fell in my yard and I had the chance to go buy another bike-- just for me--............

Well, I went to Daytona mostly to ride the new Indian and I was SURE that I was going to come home with the hots for a Vintage, but here I am more impressed by Vic's new entry level and lowest cost bike. I still can't believe I am writing this

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You are the second guy who I have heard say almost the exact same thing... According to Ma Vic nothing has changed engine wise. Goddamn it now I have to go try one after bashing the hell out of it!!!
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You are the second guy who I have heard say almost the exact same thing... According to Ma Vic nothing has changed engine wise. Goddamn it now I have to go try one after bashing the hell out of it!!!
As do all the rest of us who were underwhelmed at the Gunner's debut.

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Could this be a lesson to all of those that underestimate Victory?
I have not bashed it because I have never ridden one, and don't know anyone that owns one.

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Default I would be wanting to raise bars right off the bat.

looks like fun though.
I wonder why they are useing Dunlops on Gunner and Judge and Metzeler on High Ball.
I didn't like the Metzeler on my High Ball. I have a set of Dunlops sitting in the barn waiting to go.

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Cool reviews. I really wanted to go this year but just couldnt make it happen. The way u describe the gunner is what I imagined it should be. Only I was hoping for an even lighter bike. The gunner is 650lb, so only 30lb less than the hammer. I too wonder what makes it so much zippier. Maybe different cam or gearing besides the little bit of weight loss?!

Its also possible that it just feels zippier if the suspension is stiffer compared to other vics. This might also explain some of the better handling characteristics.

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Cool review 👍

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Thanks for the write up and the insight it gives. I am one more who thought the new Vegas Gunner was just a make over with available skins but now I need to do some test driving. Even a parts bin bike can feel different, as your story tells us.

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When you are used to a bike that weighs 800+ and you get on a bike that weighs barely 700 and uses the same engine... Oh yeah, it feels quick and nimble, no doubt about that.

The familiar bike of comparison being a Sportster, which is way down on performance from a 106" Vegas... yeah, that Gunner feels pretty badassed.

A person's perspective is a funny thing.

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it is the hardest pulling, best handling Victory made
Same chassis and engine as any Vegas, HighBall, Judge...

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Vic's new entry level and lowest cost bike
The Vegas 8-Ball is the lowest priced Victory, not the Gunner.

Vegas 8-Ball:


Gunner ($500 more):


HighBall ($1000 more)


What's different?
Paint
Wheels/tires
Front fender (Same on Gunner and HighBall)
Headlight (Same on Gunner and HighBall)
Handlebars (Same on Gunner and 8-Ball)

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