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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 06-28-2014, 07:49 PM Thread Starter
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Default I owe Half Baked a dollar and a doughnut

Ok so I owe Half Baked, Ahhem, I mean Half Crazy a Dollar and a Doughnut. Turns out the head gaskets were blown just as he said. However the question comes into play as to why. It irks the hell out of me that this should happen with so few miles as I donít drag race, donít beat the hell out of it as well. I might add having the work done isnít cheap as well. Happy as I am that it wasnít worse it shouldnít have happened in any case.

So Larry, you do have a choice, I can send you a dollar and a stale doughnut OR you can wait a couple years till I come your way to ride and Ill buy you a drink to wash it down with as well.

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That is a generous offer joseph. Let's hope he responds soon.

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Hell I'm being selfish, I'm hoping he may have learned and share what may have caused the gasket to fail on his ride.

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If your dealer isn't submitting a warranty claim, have him do so. Ma Vic might just feel sorry for you. Its certainly worth a try.

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Same reason a dog licks his boyz. He can.

Just saying, in the grand scheme of things contemplating your navel over why head gaskets fail is answerable. Thing is... really?

Congrats on dodging a real bullet. Revel in the victory.

Alternate misery. My snowblower threw another shear pin. Dammit. Why does this shit happen to me?

What gets the blame for head gaskets? Warp, defects, delam, the price of tea in China.

All those happen as often as blue moons. The real culprit is typically the hand of man. Lack of proper installation technique including cleanliness, lubrication, care in assembly, and PROPER TORQUE SEQUENCING will get your heads bouncing around like a ritalin kids foot at the dinner table.

While your motorcycle is apart the mech can do some detective work. I suspect "No, not Victory's fault" will be found to be the cause but hey good luck with RICZ's them feeling sorry for you ploy. It might work... and pitching the idea is free.

The old gasket may reveal the true cause to the educated eye but at the end of the story the fix will most likely be cleanliness, lubrication, care in assembly and proper torque sequencing. I don't know how many times the guy says "but all you did was slap in new ones. What's going to prevent it from happening again?" Well, cleanliness, lubrication, care in assembly and proper torque sequencing come to mind. Magic tricks with feeler gauges, parts juggling and show machining, not so much but sometimes peeps just ain't happy unless they paid for a pile of shavings or a couple of doorstops that look like perfectly good old heads and barrels to go with the repair.

Head gaskets fail. That's a given. Not often, in the case of new motorcycles, rare as all get out but they can and do fail. Even in the age of robotics and mechanized assembly, dirt and lackadaisical attention to QA still happen. So for that matter does a poorly machined surface or a bad gasket but my money is on whatever the circumstance the culprit is some bipedal anthropoid. I kind of am living in a post blame world. I would be so happy to find out that my motor is just a head gasket away from healthy that the factory could send out a bonehead to take the blame for the assembly and I would say "Well pal, I sure hope they sent a bike for you to ride because mine is fixed and that conversation is so over. We is burning some miles today! Saddle up sunshine!"


Key thing, you monitor the repair. If a motor is losing a head gasket much of the time there is some telltale blowby, either gases leaving a scorch or oil leaving a film. Sometimes that stuff starts well enough ahead of the failure that you can get the bike into service in an orderly fashion instead of after it humped hot oil all over your leg and your girlfriend. Hell if your machine is sporting stock pipes you might hear the fttt fttt if you put an ear to it at idle. You might even feel the rush of air squeezing out if you check it while it's first running. Sometimes they just go south all of a sudden but clues are worth keeping an eye out for. You might insist on a compression test every 500 miles from the shop doing the work for say, couple thousand miles. If the numbers are reasonable for 2k I would relax and call it good.

Adequate warm up, attention to temperature, decent fuel, the regular unexciting maintenance items may not save you from head gasket misery but they will not hasten it either.

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Turns out the head gaskets were blown just as he said. However the question comes into play as to why.
Wow! Both head gaskets? I would be very interested as to "why" as well, and then make damn sure it wouldn't happen again!

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Have them make sure that both cylinder and head gasket surface is flat. Wounder if the gasket blew out in a corner where one of the studs is.

Am happy for you that is not as bad as you thought it could of been.
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My '89 K5 (in '89 the model nomenclature for a full-size Blazer was actually V1500, but that's splitting hairs) blew its head gasket between #4 and 6 cylinders, around the water jacket on the combustion chamber side. Result: crankcase full of butterscotch pudding.

Don't know when it occured, because it was infrequently driven, and when I did take it to work, it's only 2 miles, so it didn't even get to temp. Sucks cuz the wife was driving it when it started to suffer performance symptoms from overheating (bogging out bad, then wouldn't start for 20 minutes). Overheating resulted in both heads warping slightly. Had 'em milled, installed new gaskets, cursed the distributor placement extensively, then drove it for 3 more years and never cursed GM for the failure.

Course, my story is pointless for 2 reasons
1) The truck already had 130k on the clock, so is not relevant to the new-vehicle mechanical failure issue at hand
2) the ensuing failure liquid cooling failure is what caused the irregularities in the heads. Moot point here, since Vics t'ain't gots no liquid coolin'.

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POP. Thanks, exactly what my Mech who is also a good friend told me. Looking back I do have to wonder. When I had roughly 400 miles on my bike I had a gasket give out on some side cover and blow oil all over the place. Who knows, maybe I was the chosen one to have a rookie slap my bike together. Odder things could happen.

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POP. Thanks, exactly what my Mech who is also a good friend told me. Looking back I do have to wonder. When I had roughly 400 miles on my bike I had a gasket give out on some side cover and blow oil all over the place. Who knows, maybe I was the chosen one to have a rookie slap my bike together. Odder things could happen.
Yeah! ..or the last engine done on a Friday arvo!
Down tools off for a beer boys!........now did I do the final sequence on those heads?

See I told ya you couldve been jumping to the worst conclusion! Its human nature unfortunatly.
I reckon you owe me half a stale donut too

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