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Looking at getting a Vic Hammer or Jackpot and noticed a big difference in used prices if the earlier 08-09 100/5sp models. What was the upgrade in output and does the extra gear really warrant the $1000 price gap. Had a 106/6sp Veagas before and loved it.

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You also have twice the oil change interval with the 6 speed so factor that into the price plus better gas mileage on the highways. As you see the resale will be higher also if that matters to you. For $1000 difference I would go for the 6 speed but it's your money find the best value for you.

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You also have twice the oil change interval with the 6 speed so factor that into the price plus better gas mileage on the highways. As you see the resale will be higher also if that matters to you. For $1000 difference I would go for the 6 speed but it's your money find the best value for you.

Only on 2011 and up. 2010 and below 6 speed had the lower oil change mileage.

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Looking at getting a Vic Hammer or Jackpot and noticed a big difference in used prices if the earlier 08-09 100/5sp models. What was the upgrade in output and does the extra gear really warrant the $1000 price gap. Had a 106/6sp Veagas before and loved it.
Did you use sixth gear much? And could you live without it?
The only time I can really comfortably pull sixth is over the speed limit here. (OZ)
My 2010 Vegas is a 100/6 . With my breathing mods it generates as much torque as an uncammed 106 , and is a bit down on HP with a 106 . But these bikes are driven more by torque than HP
As for oil changes I do mine midway between the old and new points.
I have no problems selecting neutral which is why Vic specd the early change interval, but as I'm using top quality Aussie oil thats half the price of Vics I tend to change it before the upper change limit.....when you change is up to you
And how your bike is at finding neutral when stationary.
Bottom line its up to you

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What is the difference between the two motors that could possibly make the oil changes so different ?

Maybe they don't spray any oil on the 106 gears? That would make the oil last longer!!

Considering the biggest killer of viscosity is the gears !!!


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What is the difference between the two motors that could possibly make the oil changes so different ?

Maybe they don't spray any oil on the 106 gears? That would make the oil last longer!!

Considering the biggest killer of viscosity is the gears !!!
See my post above ^^^

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Lloydz 109"cube big bore
" " 495 cams
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" " timing wheel @4 deg.
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RPW Slash pipes
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Progressive 465 rear shock
Kingpin USD Forks
18" XC front wheel
1 3/4" 'Burleigh Bars'
Stebel air horn
12.106 @110.90mph
114/123

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" " VM1 Cams
Home gutted exhaust
Maximus
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See my post above ^^^
So your saying it's the ease of finding neutral
Victory thinks that if you use neutral at stop lights instead of holding the clutch in that the oil will last twice as long?

I can see less clutch material in the oil but how many people put the bike in neutral waiting for the light to change. Most leave the bike in gear in case they need to make a quick get out of the way.

If this is what it's about......a lot of us need to be changing oil at 2500


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So your saying it's the ease of finding neutral
Victory thinks that if you use neutral at stop lights instead of holding the clutch in that the oil will last twice as long?

I can see less clutch material in the oil but how many people put the bike in neutral waiting for the light to change. Most leave the bike in gear in case they need to make a quick get out of the way.

If this is what it's about......a lot of us need to be changing oil at 2500
I agree with being in gear clutch in at lights.

it's the matter of getting neutral not the reasons why you want it.

I leave my bike running in neutral while I unlock my gate.
Theres more reasons to want neutral that sitting at the lights waiting to be rear ended.
Anyway to me its not a problem.
I'm going for a ride

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Lloydz 109"cube big bore
" " 495 cams
" " TorqueTubes
" " timing wheel @4 deg.
" " Primary plate
" " IAV
RPW Slash pipes
PCV
Progressive 465 rear shock
Kingpin USD Forks
18" XC front wheel
1 3/4" 'Burleigh Bars'
Stebel air horn
12.106 @110.90mph
114/123

Victory Cross Country 2010 (106)
Lloyds air filter
" " VM1 Cams
Home gutted exhaust
Maximus
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So your saying it's the ease of finding neutral
Victory thinks that if you use neutral at stop lights instead of holding the clutch in that the oil will last twice as long?

I can see less clutch material in the oil but how many people put the bike in neutral waiting for the light to change. Most leave the bike in gear in case they need to make a quick get out of the way.

If this is what it's about......a lot of us need to be changing oil at 2500
There were several changes to the transmissions between the 2010-2011 model years, not just the neutral assist.

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There were several changes to the transmissions between the 2010-2011 model years, not just the neutral assist.
Had a 2010 Vegas 8 ball one of the first 6 speed I think no problems with neutral or any shifting,it was spot on.

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