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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 07-21-2014, 03:51 PM Thread Starter
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Default Disc lock versus full alarm system. Thoughts?

I've searched the info I could find on the forum, but I'm gonna reach out here anyway and see what everyone thinks. No one seems to have posed this exact question anyway.

Before I get the inevitable responses of "get good insurance," I HAVE good insurance. And until this point I've always been pretty cavalier about one of the bikes getting stolen. Well, due to my current financial and medical situation, replacing a stolen bike is not an option. My wife will have to go without for months or years before we can financially stabilize again and I am comfortable in making the payment.

Anyway, we took the settlement from the Gecko on Lacy's Vegas last week. Paid off the loan and then some. Gonna sock away most of that payout, but I'm taking a little to buy some security for the Cross Roads. I've got a few options lined up, but want to get some opinions on what might be my best option, as well as share what I think.

Option 1: Disc lock
Been looking at specifically the Roadlok:
http://roadlok.com/collections/victo.../xda-101-black

This seems to be a much sturdier, better designed alternative to the inexpensive Xena setups, altho I will say the addition of an alarm would be nice. But you don't have to carry it around, so you won't forget it.

My main concern would be forgetting to unlock it, of course, and damaging the rotor. Then exists the remote possibility that a well-coordinated effort could result in the bike STILL being stolen. Not especially likely, since the XR's pretty heavy, and I'm thinking you'd probably need 2 guys to lift the nose and a 3rd to push.

Option 2: Alarms:
Choice 1: Digital Guard Dawg X2 http://www.digitalguarddawg.com/moto...awg-x2/product

Choice 2: Scorpio SR-i900 http://ridescorpio.com/shop/scorpio-secure/

Very similar features from both. Neither has a custom-fit harness for the the XR, tho I might shoot Scorpio an email and see if their harness for the Vision works for the Cross bikes. The DGD is much cheaper, but the Scorpio is modular and accessories like a perimeter sensor are available. I like these higher-end models because they have a keyfob that monitors in real time, which can alert me to anyone tampering with my bike.

On the other hand, lack of a custom-fit harness would involve dinking around with wiring (which I hate) and the possibility of false alarms (which not only I hate, but I imagine everyone in my neighborhood hates too). However, accelerometer sensitivity can be adjusted on both models.

I know neither will deter a truly a dedicated thief, but I'd like to discourage one as much as possible. I also acknowledge what I'm really buying is peace of mind. Thanks for your input, guys.

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Disk locks are pretty effective, but it's real important to remember they are there! I had a co-worker who used 1...Actually he just ran a regular old Master lock through one of the holes in the rotor. Forgot it was there more than once. Much to my amusement....

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One of the first things I noticed when I got my XR was the lack of fork lock / security ? I have a decent quality disc lock, so need to toss it in the saddlebag . I know locks only keep the honest people out , but I'm surprised Vic didn't provide something ? My main concern is overnight parking in motels / hotels....maybe I should up-grade my digs

Personally I think a good disc lock is sufficient . Anything to slow them down...JMO!
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If you do a fork lock tie a bandanna on the throttle or something.
You for get it you travel three feet and fall over hard and damage your self and bike. I guaranty you

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Stay away from disk locks, you will forget it and you will damage your own bike, it's inevitable.
Plus, when are you going to use it? Every time you leave the bike?
People can still steal it when you go in to get a quick coffee.

Alarms are much simpler and you can always arm it when you walk away from your bike. You don't need to strip all the wires on your bike to install it.

Look at the Gorilla series alarms, it has 2 wires for positive and negative battery connections, that's it.
And it has tilt sensor, shock sensor, led warning light, 120db siren, two way pager...

Go with the alarm.

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I'm not the kind to put much stock in an alarm system. People don't pay attention to them anymore, and unless you're within earshot, and are prepared to intervene (bad idea), what's going to happen? A casual thief might move on, but a determined one will not. Fortunately, Victories aren't thief bait as much as Harleys, so your odds are better just by owing a Victory.

I use a heavy-duty disc lock, and have never had a bike stolen. You could always put one on each wheel, although it would be a bit of a hassle with bags. If you're the forgetful type, put some kind of warning on your handlebar.

Unless I'm at a hotel, I try not to leave my bike out of sight. Sometimes at a restaurant, I have no choice. But I try to park in front as near to the door as possible. At hotels, I ask to park in front by the door, and am usually able to do so.

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I use a Xena with the warning cable arund the frnt brake lever and ver the right grip. The alarm desn't wrk anymre due t my being unable t listen t it while changing the bettery. They do sell the alarm mdule separately.
My o key desn't appear t wrk anymore.
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Default Disc lock versus full alarm system. Thoughts?

Alarms and locks will absolutely stop a novice but beyond that I think all you'll be getting is a false spence of security.


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...*sigh*

For those of you who've offered constructive opinions on whether a disc lock or an alarm is more worth my money, thank you.

But Sponkey...well, seriously? Come on, I KNOW what I'm spending my money on is the grown-up equivalent of a security blanket. THAT'S THE POINT. Just because anyone interested in making the effort can circumvent an attempt to protect my property doesn't mean I shouldn't try. In the specific case of the theft of my wife's Vegas, a disc lock may have slowed down the thieves enough that the nosy but unwilling-to-confront eyewitness may have made her phone call to my friend who had the bike call BEFORE they got away with the it. An alarm would have alerted the friend (and everyone else in his quiet and moderately-upscale neighborhood) who was IN HIS HOUSE as it was stolen from his driveway. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised to get at least one post saying an alarm or lock is pointless, tho I thought I made it clear I knew such devices are better at discouraging casual theft than keeping away the pros. But I think every little bit helps. And moreover, I'm no longer willing to do nothing and wonder what could've happened differently if I'd just spent a few bucks.

Anyway, it regards to the options I'm considering, the Roadlok disc lock has a yellow flag on the removeable lock pin to remind you it's locked. Roadlok also claims that because the device mounts permanently to the hanger for the brake caliper (thereby becoming the hanger for the brake caliper) and is immobile, it won't damage your brake rotor if you forget to unlock it. That won't save me from dropping the bike on myself tho lol

The two alarms can alert the keyfob to any activity on the bike within a 1/2 mile. I like that feature. When I use the bike for commuting, it ain't parked that far away. When it's in my driveway, you can bet I'd be willing to confront anyone I found on my property screwing with my bike. If it were in my driveway and I weren't home, I have at least 3 nosy neighbors who can see my driveway and would call the cops. I'm thinking the Scorpio system can become part of the rLink setup, but I have a Windows phone, so the vehicle tracking and mobile alert isn't available to me. But hey, only a year till next upgrade!

I looked briefly at Gorilla alarms, Paul. I'll consider them further. Thanks for the suggestion

...maybe I should have added a poll?

Anyway, more opinions please ON THE DEVICES or suggestions on other devices that've worked for you, and please refrain from lecturing me about how I can't possibly protect my property from an ambitious thief.

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OK, I have to ask a question. Given the scenario you outlined in your first post about the dire financial consequences that would result from your bike getting stolen, would it not be prudent to get both an alarm AND a disc lock? Does it have to be either/or?

I have an older version of this lock, and while the alarm no longer works, it's such a heavy chunk of metal that it seems to me it would be hard to defeat. For $65, would it not be a wise investment, either as a stand-alone device or as an addition to an alarm?





I'd have to think that it would take an experienced and very determined thief to steal an immobile bike that has an alarm blaring.

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