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post #1 of 29 (permalink) Old 09-08-2014, 06:50 AM Thread Starter
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Had some simple service done before my trip west.... Still finding issues.

My forks were not quite right before leaving but now they are sticking.... How a simple oil change can go so wrong....

trying to figure out what in the tudes would cause the sticksion? Bushings, or oil ( or the lack there of)

Thoughts? There are no bent forks here unless SOMD bent them in the assembly process.

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Had some simple service done before my trip west.... Still finding issues.

My forks were not quite right before leaving but now they are sticking.... How a simple oil change can go so wrong....

trying to figure out what in the tudes would cause the sticksion? Bushings, or oil ( or the lack there of)

Thoughts? There are no bent forks here unless SOMD bent them in the assembly process.
The tubes themselves. There for a while, sportbike makers were using various coatings to reduce it. Sometimes they were black or gold.

This generally isn't something that most notice. What is the symptom that you feel is caused by sticktion?

I also let a local place change my fork oil before a trip as I didn't have a tool to tighten up the steering head. $80 later, I now have that tool. $50 of it was provided by Vic by way of a gift card. Anyway, when I got it back several of the bolts weren't tightened. I torqued everything up, but I still feel an occasional thunking from the front end when I brake from slow speeds. And more often when the bike is cold. Oddly, it doesn't do that from high speeds. I also had them drop in EBC brake pads at the time. I'm wondering if they might be causing the thunking.




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The tubes themselves. There for a while, sportbike makers were using various coatings to reduce it. Sometimes they were black or gold.

This generally isn't something that most notice. What is the symptom that you feel is caused by sticktion?

I also let a local place change my fork oil before a trip as I didn't have a tool to tighten up the steering head. $80 later, I now have that tool. $50 of it was provided by Vic by way of a gift card. Anyway, when I got it back several of the bolts weren't tightened. I torqued everything up, but I still feel an occasional thunking from the front end when I brake from slow speeds. And more often when the bike is cold. Oddly, it doesn't do that from high speeds. I also had them drop in EBC brake pads at the time. I'm wondering if they might be causing the thunking.
It is not a plating problem a sthe chrome on the lowers is intact at least on the exposed parts.

Steering head bearing has nothing to do with the suspension moving up and down.... if the head was loose it would cause a multitude of issues.

Also spend the better part of 8 hours going over the bike re-torquing on in some cases torquing parts/bolts /nuts.

My hope is that it is just contaminated oil and not broken or jamed parts due to sloppy work by SoMD Vic.

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maybe they forgot to put oil in one fork. Or they didn't put in enough.
I would take it a part and redo every thing an check for burs on forks or lack of oil

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Lack of Oil, hum did not think that would cause the issue but maybe.
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Low oil the fork will act like a pogo stick. No oil it could seize up and stick. In my opinion you need to pull the forks and check the oil level. You can't check the level with the forks on the bike. They also the fork spring has to be out to measure the oil level.

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It is not a plating problem a sthe chrome on the lowers is intact at least on the exposed parts.
My point was that chrome is not the best material to prevent stiction.

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Steering head bearing has nothing to do with the suspension moving up and down.... if the head was loose it would cause a multitude of issues.
I was not implying that was your issue, I was stating that it was mine following a dealer fork service. I still don't know what your symptoms are?




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I had my fork oil done at a different dealer several miles NE of where you went (thanks for the report out, by the way!). They mentioned they were seeing a number of bikes where the inner bushing/plunger was distorted from excess compression, typically from being tied down under too much pressure for transport, causing it to stick in its travel.

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So the bike had never been tied down for transport, I suspect that the goons in SoMD did not take care installing the legs and rolled on of the seals or F'd up the piston.

Vern told me that it might take a couple of hours (Just fork oil) or up to 8 to replace bushings and what ever else they find.

Interesting that I find folks that are willing to trust SoMD to service and modify their bikes and then ride them.... I watched one of their test riders in a Vision and he almost dumped it just turning around on US301....

New table with double drop outs and a tire changer will adorn my shop soon, and as long as I can order parts and have them sent to my home I have no further need for SoMD Vic. If I need wrench work done I will head to Annapolis. Dropping the bike off on the 23rd will post what they find out.

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Just a quick note,
Finnally got this to the shop, Annapolis MD, forks opened up...

Complete rebuild, some kind of green heavy oil in the tubes, (Not Vic OEM, Not AMSOIL, ??) cartridges shot metal in the oil. How did this happen? Answer incorrect maintenance and oil. Metal is from the cartridge right leg.

Cost to fix is looking at $1,100.00 and a week. I have nothing good to say about SoMD Victory and now I have 1100 more reasons to add to that.

What goes around..... comes back around.

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