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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 04-18-2012, 09:48 PM Thread Starter
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Dynoed my bike today. Last year it made 87 HP and 92 torque. Hacker pipe and s&s air filter. It ran 12.05 @ 107 last year. New numbers are 114 HP and 113 torque. The rev limiter shut it off or it might have made more. It has s&s filter hacker pipe s&s495 cams and head ported and valve job done by me. Also tuned by me. I'm happy with numbers for what is done. Now real numbers that matter will be coming soon. Et at the track. Motor is a stock compression 100 inch on a hammer.
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Great #'s and times. Its good to see other Vic owners working on their own bikes instead of sending it to a shop and writing a check.

I started a thread for posting 1/4 mile times a month or 2 back... be sure to post your times and I'll update the running list in the first post... you'll definitely be one to beat at 12.0 with bolt-ons.

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Great #'s and times. Its good to see other Vic owners working on their own bikes instead of sending it to a shop and writing a check.
I wouldn't be so quick to judge... If you're getting the jugs re-sleeved, crank balanced, cases clearanced, bowl blending, muli-angle valve seats, swirl polish on the valves... these are things you just can't do in the average garage. Sometimes paying the labor rate to someone with the proper tools and lots of experience, plus having them do the break-in and tuning at the same time, is worth it.

I know someone who built his own 104" Vic motor at the same time that Joe and I dropped our bikes off and 'wrote the check'. Our results were far better in the end from identical components. The difference in cost was like $1100... and we got our bikes back ready to ride/tuned.

I do all my own wrenching and I've built many motors, but these days I don't have the time, access to the tools, nor the desire... and I could afford it... so I took it to the experienced. I got the results I wanted and I didn't have to F with it.

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Not judging, just an observation... simmer down

If my goal was 140/140 with a nasty NA motor and I had the budget to accomodate such a build I would send it to a competent builder as well. I can't help buy shake my head when people pay a shop to install handle bars and an exhaust system. Maping, yea, 98% of the people should have a competent tuner dial it in.

Personally I take a lot of pride in doing my own wrenching, tuning, and fabbing, even if it means I'm not the fastest... but again, I have a bolt-on only bike right now, with plans for some home made boost this time next year. Cutting a check to make a bike fast just doesn't float my boat.

To each his own.

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I will do my own sleaves and balance job. I work at a machine shop and have built everything from small motors to 1700 HP turbo small block Chevy a 632 BBC in a pro mod. So I think I can handle it my self. I just wanted to post numbers to show people results weither it is a owner doing it or a shop. Just a number to go off for someone trying to decide on parts for there bike.
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Those are some impressive numbers. I'm anxious to see what you can do with the new setup. I thought my 12.18 @ 105 mph was pretty good with an S&S intake and rpw thor exhaust. What was your 60 ft? The best I could get out of mine was 1.61.

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Best 60 I got was a 1.76. Our local track gets pretty good after the big race they have in September. U can usually leave at 5500.
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If my goal was 140/140 with a nasty NA motor and I had the budget to accomodate such a build I would send it to a competent builder as well. I can't help but shake my head when people pay a shop to install handle bars and an exhaust system. Maping, yea, 98% of the people should have a competent tuner dial it in.
So we agree then? Were not talking about installing a sissybar and downloading a map here, are we?




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Personally I take a lot of pride in doing my own wrenching, tuning, and fabbing, even if it means I'm not the fastest... but again, I have a bolt-on only bike right now, with plans for some home made boost this time next year. Cutting a check to make a bike fast just doesn't float my boat.
Isn't that a direct contradiction of what you said above?

I will not accept less results for the sake of my ego. I've paid my dues to Gods of development, fabrication, tuning, and marketing what I made as well. These days I find there's no shame in writing a check to those who still make their living doing that sort of thing... and the results can be their own satisfaction/reward, if ya know what I mean.

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I build my own, it's not ego it's knowing every part and every piece of my bike. If everyone just paid for it there would be no improvements, no John Britton's in the world and no reason to do anything because it would all be the same. Have someone build it for you, that's your choice.

Just curious, how much better were your numbers for that $1100? 2 hp or double digits? Got dyno sheets for the difference? Were they done on the same dyno?
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I build my own, it's not ego it's knowing every part and every piece of my bike. If everyone just paid for it there would be no improvements, no John Britton's in the world and no reason to do anything because it would all be the same. Have someone build it for you, that's your choice.

Just curious, how much better were your numbers for that $1100? 2 hp or double digits? Got dyno sheets for the difference? Were they done on the same dyno?
I'm not saying don't do it yourself. If you have the know how and the tools, by all means, build your own... but don't look down your nose at guys who didn't because you never know who you might be talking to. There are people who are more than capable of building an engine who decided to leave the job to someone who has done many and knows all the details/tricks. That's all.

If you wanted to go pro stock racing would you build your own engine or get one from Steve Schmidt or Sonny's? Would you build your own chassis or buy one from an experienced chassis shop? It doesn't matter how good you are, there's someone better.

How much better? A dozen horse (.25 sec at the track).
Same Dyno? Yes. Lloyd's Dyno.
Do I have the sheets? I have mine, but not the other guy's.

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