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post #1 of 51 (permalink) Old 08-16-2012, 03:23 PM Thread Starter
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I am ready to try a multi-compound tire for my bike. Does anybody run them on their Cross bike? KevinX, if you're reading this, what shoes does your XC wear?

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Unless something has changed in the past year or two, you may have ot go to a bias tire to get a size that is comperable with the XC.
I don't know what all the bias is toward bisas tires, but in some circles it is rampent. I have heard good and bad for the 180/65 16 that Dunlop makes for the HD. Michelin has made an offering that probably would be a better choice.

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Still waiting for the Conti to come to market. No other multi compounds in our size on the horizon that I know of

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The closest I can find to a multi-compound is the Avon Cobra, which is not a multi-compound tire. However, the tire is built to provide a larger contact patch when leaning, and a smaller contact patch when up-right. They sport higher belt density at the center of the tire, providing a stiffer surface, and lower belt density towards the sides, to simulate a softer, grippier surface.

Btw, Continental does make a tire in our size, but I don't think it's multi-compound. http://www.jpcycles.com/product/210-043.

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Default Michelin 180/65-16?

Seeking details on the multi-compound Michelin Commander II 180/65-16 for our cross bikes. Although this site does not explicitly state it as multi-compound, it DOES say that it wears TWICE as long as our OEM tires so I am thinking it's multi-compound, right? First of, I FULLY understand that this is NOT the recommended tire for our bikes AND I fully understand the dimensional differences.

http://www.cyclegear.com/eng/product...res/web1010464

However, this "seems" close enough that it "should" be able to work on our bikes, shouldn't it? The additional 5cm height (and fractionally larger diameter of something like .0023) seems like it should work "just fine". It's not like this tire is going to rub on anything and the angular characteristics in motion aren't going to be large enough to cause the tire to loose traction.

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I am ready to try a multi-compound tire for my bike.
For what reason?

Personally, I find the E3s to be great tires. Mine have 10k on them now, the front couldn't be wearing any more perfectly. The rear is developing a bit of a flat spot, but they still handle fine and grip fine as far as it can be leaned over. And both still have a pretty decent amount of tread left. It saddens me to think of how much $ I've pissed away on tires that weren't nearly this robust.

These days, I run multi-compound Pilot Roads on my FJR and they last about 5 or 6k miles as did the single-compound tires I've used in years past. I think the harder center compound may prevent the tires from flat spotting as fast, but they don't seem to last much if any longer.




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Seeking details on the multi-compound Michelin Commander II 180/65-16 for our cross bikes. Although this site does not explicitly state it as multi-compound, it DOES say that it wears TWICE as long as our OEM tires so I am thinking it's multi-compound, right? First of, I FULLY understand that this is NOT the recommended tire for our bikes AND I fully understand the dimensional differences.

http://www.cyclegear.com/eng/product...res/web1010464

However, this "seems" close enough that it "should" be able to work on our bikes, shouldn't it? The additional 5cm height (and fractionally larger diameter of something like .0023) seems like it should work "just fine". It's not like this tire is going to rub on anything and the angular characteristics in motion aren't going to be large enough to cause the tire to loose traction.

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I have the Michelin Commander II on 99 V92C (V92TC once all parts come back from paint) and I love them. I had to go sligtly smaller size on the rear. That OK as I am not that tall, 32 inseam. They are so head and shoulders above the crappy Dunlops it is not funny. I have had 3 sets of Dunlops now and have been flat scared in the corners ans they will not lean. I had 2 sets on my Vstar 1100 and went to Metzlers on it. Love them to. Than the set that was on the Vic. I only have probably 1000 miles on the Commanders, but they sure feel good in the corners.

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For what reason?

Personally, I find the E3s to be great tires. Mine have 10k on them now, the front couldn't be wearing any more perfectly. The rear is developing a bit of a flat spot, but they still handle fine and grip fine as far as it can be leaned over. And both still have a pretty decent amount of tread left. It saddens me to think of how much $ I've pissed away on tires that weren't nearly this robust.
I cannot get more than 10k out of E3s, and for my riding conditions, I eat the center of the tire twice as fast as I use up the sides. I don't like to be wasteful and throw away unused rubber. Goldwing riders rave about the Avon Cobras, so they've made it to the top of my list for the time being. It's the closest thing to a multi-compound that I can find.

I like the fact that the E3s are quiet. However, even though they're not that grippie, they sure do get used up as if they were soft, sticky tires.

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Seeking details on the multi-compound Michelin Commander II 180/65-16 for our cross bikes. Although this site does not explicitly state it as multi-compound, it DOES say that it wears TWICE as long as our OEM tires so I am thinking it's multi-compound, right? First of, I FULLY understand that this is NOT the recommended tire for our bikes AND I fully understand the dimensional differences.
I believe that's a hard compound tire, not a multi-compound. Hard compound is great for durability, but not so great for high speed corners.

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Are you read for this ?
GoodYear is working hard on a tire made of Soybean Oil and Ford says they will release them on cars in 2015.
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I cannot get more than 10k out of E3s, and for my riding conditions, I eat the center of the tire twice as fast as I use up the sides. I don't like to be wasteful and throw away unused rubber. Goldwing riders rave about the Avon Cobras, so they've made it to the top of my list for the time being. It's the closest thing to a multi-compound that I can find.

I like the fact that the E3s are quiet. However, even though they're not that grippie, they sure do get used up as if they were soft, sticky tires.



I believe that's a hard compound tire, not a multi-compound. Hard compound is great for durability, but not so great for high speed corners.
I believe the Michelin Commander ll uses a very new type of compound that not only wears well but grips very well. My brother knows a guy that did the testing on this tire and he swears by it.
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