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I am looking at a used 2012 Vic XCT and it has:
-Lloyds Cams
-Lloyds Fuel Controller
-Some sort of high flow air filter - no details of this
-Exhaust mods the seller refers to as, "basically they just hollowed out the stock exhaust. It was done by a Vic dealer in New Jersey, Rollin' Fast Cycle Sports"
-Dyno Tuned by Lloyds after all the above
-105 HP/ 109 ft-lbs torque
-NO ATS wheel
-No other performance mods

Owner says it runs a bit cooler than stock and fully loaded down and cruising at 72 mph it gets 42 mpg.

I know very little about engine and performance mods. Does the above sound like a good combination? Anything to be concerned about? Thanks.

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That seems like quite an impressive list of goodies. Should treat you right



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Most bikes with the Lloyds cams and such are punching out 115 HP all day long , that 105 number seems eerily low to me . I don't have the Lloyds cams and am just shy of 99HP on my bike . Just my opinion mind you ...

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There is 10 hp 10 ft lbs left on the table. The hollow exhaust is nothing more than noise. The lloyds controller could be replaced with a pc5. That and a good set of slip ons like Vance n Hines or D&D with a Lloyds retune on the Dyno and you will pick up whats missing. Good luck

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Oh yyeah. For a few hundred more have them put in an ATS and Lloyds filter. Then
Tune it up. The big money is in the cams that the previous owner spent. What you will experience is a cooler smoother faster more power user friendly motorcycle. We all want that, dont we ?

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Wait........ one more thing........ what oil you planning on using? YEEE HAW!

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For that list you are pretty good.
Probably lloydz filter in it, but you'll have to peek under the front of the tank. If you see air filter, you got it. A rubber strip, or black plastic lip, you don't.
Pipes are a noise only thing, so you can do better. Lloydz "fuel controller" can mean several things. FWIW
Sounds like a good set up and for $160 you can get the timing wheel and reusable gasket, and give it a little more if you choose.
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IMHO you can't really say that the combo is making less HP than it should. I know a lot of guys say that a X bike with cams, pipes, air filter and tuner should be making 115 & 115. But the only time that I'm seeing those numbers are on Kyle's or Lloydz Dyno. I don't think you can put much stock in comparing dyno figures unless they are done on the same dyno. For example, Kevin's dyno numbers are consistently lower than Kyle's or Lloydz but that is due to his dyno reading lower than others. A dyno is just a tool used to tune a bike. The specific numbers off of the dyno make little difference.

For example, I put the whole performance package on my brothers Vision (HP cams, D&D's, Lloydz Filters, ATS, PCV) and had it dyno tuned here locally. His bike only dyno'd at 114 HP & 110 TQ. Most people would say that is low for a Vision with all the performance goodies but the bike runs like a scalded dog. If we put that bike on a more generous dyno it would probably pull 120 HP.

I'd definitely add the ATS because that's the best performance mod that you can do for these bikes. Other than that ride the bike as is and see if you like it. There is probably 5 HP to be gained with a PCV and a better set of slip on mufflers. But, I'd ride the bike for a while and see if it's worth it to me to spend the money.

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Thanks for the replies. My biggest concerns are:
1) Too much noise from the pipes. I don't mind some noise but "gutted" pipes are likely to be too loud. I want to hear the music while riding.

2) Engine heat. I already have two XCT in Florida - one for me and one for my wife. This new one would be for our summer place in Michigan. My XCT in FL is totally stock on the engine and is VERY hot on my legs. Even with the vents in the hard lowers opened, it is very hot. I know that you get the best air flow with these vents not 100% open and have experimented with this and the bike is still very hot. My wife's XCT in FL has the O2 sensors unplugged and has a Lloydz fuel management system on it. It runs a lot cooler than my bike.

As blasphemous as it may sound, I don't really care that much about HP and speed. The stock bike will go plenty fast for me and has more acceleration/power than I will use.

LostinTexas, you say that "Lloydz fuel controller can mean several things". Can you elaborate? When I look at the bike, what should I be looking for on the controller to determine what is present? Thanks.

It seems from the suggestions that the ATS is a good addition even if there is already a fuel controller. Is this correct? What role do these two mods play? How do they interact or counteract each other?

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A Loyds fuel controller can be a VFCIII, a PCV from them (yea they sell them), or less likely but not bad IMHO a VFC+gen4. The only way I would know to tell is to pull the cover or seat or where ever it is and read the name on the thing, well, the GEN4 will have an A/F gauge somewhere.
You may be amazed at the difference putting the stock pipes back on makes. I'll bet you can pick up a set pretty cheap. Vic pipes are very good according to the top guru guys in the lower end and there have been several that claim modest to fair increases by going back to them, that may be fact, subjective, or otherwise. No telling what they went back from either.
For the heat, the controller will cool it down.(in my case, a LOT) Not sure what you were expecting, it is an air cooled engine with oil assist, in other words no water to cool things down.
Try your vents completely closed on the lowers and play with the fairing lowers. I find mine the best when the lowers vents are shut completely, and it gets a tad warm in these parts. YMMV.


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