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Default Harley 103" vs Victory

Was curious this morning about the Harley 103" and the power they make. I rode with someone a couple of weeks ago who claimed his 103" had 90 something horsepower to the wheels with nothing really done to it. Well i did some digging and found this dyno sheet on the HD forums. Bone stock they only dyno about 65 horsepower. Just to make 96 Horsepower he had to do the following..

96 HP - 110 lb/ft Torque
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Our Freedom motors are making about 10whp more stock than the 103" and with a S&S Intake and exhaust we can make 98whp. Another reason to like your Victory
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The new 103" Harleys (Rushmore) make like 74-75 horse out of the crate.
Airbox, pipes, PC-V, and cams will get you to 92-94 horse and 118-ish on torque (Woods 777). With the throttle by wire you can go big on cams and they work fine on the bottom.

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The newer HD's are better than stuff from just two years ago. About time.
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The new 103" Harleys (Rushmore) make like 74-75 horse out of the crate.
Airbox, pipes, PC-V, and cams will get you to 92-94 horse and 118-ish on torque (Woods 777). With the throttle by wire you can go big on cams and they work fine on the bottom.
Just goes to show that they have inferior cylinder heads compared to the Victory if it takes that much cam to make less power than ours.

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Just goes to show that they have inferior cylinder heads compared to the Victory if it takes that much cam to make less power than ours.
Yeah, you're not going far with the stock heads and stock throttle body on a Harley.

I still have stock heads and throttle bodies on my bike... There's the big difference between the powerplants.

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That buddy of mine that was dogn Vics went riding with me yesterday and he has the 103 limited. I whooped his ass 3 different times 2 dead stop Infact he pulled out on me a bike length leaving early and i reeled him in. and once at highway speed. he thought he could pull me and it just didnt happen. It ran good but he couldnt keep up.

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Harley has never been known for being fast. They just sound big with their 103". Now they have there 124" it's their race motor with a few parts left out.
I have a feeling the 2016 motors will come with more power.

I wonder if Vic's had a primary chain would we be slower.
I know the motor would be quieter

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It seems like a LOT of HD sales people are quoting 90 to 100 HP stock but that HAS to be at the crank rather than at the wheel. Of course, they never point this out to their herding masses so when it hits the streets the owners think they have more HP than they actually do.

I don't get into races much but never had a single 103 stay anywhere NEAR me on the streets. Even the 110's have a hard time keeping up and I don't even have CAMs or even a timing wheel. Just the Lloyds Air Filter, Ness exhuast, PC-V & Autotune.

I was even leading a Dyno "performance" competition for "American" bikes ONLY until an older model HD with about $5K of engine work was brought up on the Dyno. Even then the "tuner" had to do a bit of "adjusting" to get it to out perform my bike so that they could ensure that a HD actually won the event ...it WAS a HD event after all...LOL




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Harley has never been known for being fast. They just sound big with their 103". Now they have there 124" it's their race motor with a few parts left out.
I have a feeling the 2016 motors will come with more power.

I wonder if Vic's had a primary chain would we be slower.
I know the motor would be quieter
When you say primary chain are you referring to the timing chain for the camshafts? Overheads Cam motors are going to have longer timing chains thats just the nature of the beast. The alternative is to go with pushrods which would place the camshaft directly above the crank resulting in a small timing chain but i think OHC is the way to go. Even though i'm a big fan of GM Lsx pushrod motors

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It seems like a LOT of HD sales people are quoting 90 to 100 HP stock but that HAS to be at the crank rather than at the wheel. Of course, they never point this out to their herding masses so when it hits the streets the owners think they have more HP than they actually do.

I don't get into races much but never had a single 103 stay anywhere NEAR me on the streets. Even the 110's have a hard time keeping up and I don't even have CAMs or even a timing wheel. Just the Lloyds Air Filter, Ness exhuast, PC-V & Autotune.

I was even leading a Dyno "performance" competition for "American" bikes ONLY until an older model HD with about $5K of engine work was brought up on the Dyno. Even then the "tuner" had to do a bit of "adjusting" to get it to out perform my bike so that they could ensure that a HD actually won the event ...it WAS a HD event after all...LOL

Love hearing stories like this. I almost bought a Vrod but i just couldn't do it because of the HD badge. I've always hated them. I just cant stand how people blindly buy them. I've never been one to jump on bandwagons. But i really cant stand the typical HD person that is always decked out in their HD tshirt, jacket, hat, gloves, HD Ford truck etc

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