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post #1 of 32 (permalink) Old 03-18-2013, 03:56 PM Thread Starter
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Default Daytona Demos and MORE Clutch Problems!!!!

I left the house about 7:00AM Friday morning headed for Daytona Speedway with plans to play on someone else’s bikes for the day. I took the interstate down to save time even though there was frost on the ground. 85MPH on the interstate, temp gauge reading 36 degrees… it was cold. I had the closeouts over the crash bars and was geared for the cold, so it wasn’t that bad. I arrived at the Speedway just before 9:00 and hit the Kawasaki tent first. I got a couple of time slots for later in the day, so I decided to go ride a couple of Victorys and try out the heated grips while I waited. Hopped on my XC and started the slow cruise to the other end of the track. On the way the clutch did something funny… again. Cruising at 10MPH in first, pulled the clutch in, and the bike coasted down to about 5MPH and then just wanted to keep going. I had to stop for the traffic and thought maybe I was imagining things. There was a lot of traffic which didn’t allow me to try it again before I got over by the Victory tent.

I rode the XCT and the heated grips work well (Man these things would have been nice on the ride down!!!), wind management on the tour is awesome (although the windshield is about 1” too tall), and there was ZERO funny business with the clutch. Then I rode the Vision for the first time. Wind protection was good, but not as good as the XCT, again the heated grips worked well, adjustable windshield is a great feature, and the bike is very balance with super light steering. I was able to do a complete stop-n-go without putting my feet down. Although I am not a fan of the styling, the Vision is an awesome machine. Again, I was looking specifically for issues with the clutch and found NONE.

Then it was back to the Kawi tent for my first scheduled demo. Traffic was thick and didn’t let me test for the problem I thought I had felt earlier. So I get over to the Kawasaki tent and they give me a free shirt, and then I get to take the Voyager out for the first time. Kawasaki has the best demo rides going at Daytona. It lasts about 30 minutes and has a good mix of interstate and back roads. The leader rode at a spirited pace giving me the opportunity to really get a good feel for the bike. Overall the Voyager is a very competent machine. The engine and transmission were very smooth, clutch pull was extremely light (hydraulic), brakes are solid, and the wind protection was surprisingly good. On the down side the tank and engine were wide between my legs, I very much missed the Victory foot room, the bike felt underpowered, and the plastic that the bags and tour pack were made of was thin and wimpy feeling.

After that… the problem with my clutch was killing me. I blew off my next Kawasaki demo, and quickly found a fairly empty shopping strip to determine if I really had an issue or not. Bad news… I was not imagining things. Rolling at roughly 10MPH in first gear, pull the clutch in, and the bike slows to about 5MPH and then keep going. If I hit the brakes it will stop just fine, or if I try to go up any real incline it will coast to a stop. But when it’s on flat land it will just keep going in circles at 5MPH all day. I just idled around the parking lot in a daze. I just had my clutch replaced maybe 2,000 miles ago. Now I have the beginnings of the same problem that toasted the last clutch as 22,000 miles. What the heck do I do now???!!!!????!!!???

I ate lunch mulling it all over. I putted back over to the Speedway with all this stewing in my head. Talked myself out of taking the issue up with the guys at the Victory tent. Decided that the conversation may not go as planned, and I didn’t need a place to sleep at tax payer expense.

Then I went and hammered on a couple of Harleys. I have to thank Harley for allowing me to let off some steam on their machines, I found it very therapeutic. Both bikes were… well… Harley. Beautiful paint shaker time machines with cramped egos, so-so powered engines, so-so brakes, and no cornering clearance. The same thing that they have been doing for… yeah.

The day was done.

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What kind of oil do you have in that thing? Not all oils work well with a "wet" clutch even if they are otherwise a perfect match to the specs in your owners manual.

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Vic oil from dealer... 2,000ish miles ago.

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Vic oil from dealer... 2,000ish miles ago.
IIRC, I seem to remember being a little afraid for you when you told me they only replaced the plates. Didn't you say the plates showed an uneven wear? It seems to me that would occur if something (like the basket) was forcing them to engage cockeyed. It would explain why the plates aren't separating properly and propelling you around at 5 mph with the clutch pulled in.

Anyway, it sounds like it should be easy for a tech to recreate at this point. Maybe they can diagnose the problem better now with less worn plates.

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I would take it back make them drive it..

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Perhaps since this is not the first time you can get them to actually upgrade your clutch for free.

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I have come up with a few options, but still undecided what direction I'm going to go...

- Go back to the dealer that did the repair and let them have another shot at it?
- Take it back to Gainesville and let them take a crack at it?
- Take it back to Gainesville and trade it for a new bike and start over?
- Trade it for something else and talk $hit about Victory for the rest of my life?
- Legal action?

I'm just tired of dealing with this crap. I just want a bike I can ride. That's why I bought a Vic to start with.

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I have come up with a few options, but still undecided what direction I'm going to go...

- Go back to the dealer that did the repair and let them have another shot at it?
- Take it back to Gainesville and let them take a crack at it?
- Take it back to Gainesville and trade it for a new bike and start over?
- Trade it for something else and talk $hit about Victory for the rest of my life?
- Legal action?

I'm just tired of dealing with this crap. I just want a bike I can ride. That's why I bought a Vic to start with.
Given that there are a whole bunch of us here who don't share your problem, chances are it's the mechanic's failure to find and correct the problem's root cause, not an inherent design flaw of the machine. Option 1 would be my first choice, but then again, I have another bike to ride while they figure it out.




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I have come up with a few options, but still undecided what direction I'm going to go...

- Go back to the dealer that did the repair and let them have another shot at it?
- Take it back to Gainesville and let them take a crack at it?
- Take it back to Gainesville and trade it for a new bike and start over?
- Trade it for something else and talk $hit about Victory for the rest of my life?
- Legal action?

I'm just tired of dealing with this crap. I just want a bike I can ride. That's why I bought a Vic to start with.
personally, option 3 or 4.

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Option 1.

Any other dealer who works on it and tells Victory the fault may be with the origional mechanic will probably cause Victory to void repair costs since you didn't give the origional shop a chance to stand by their work. They already paid them, and don't want to pay them twice.

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