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post #11 of 27 (permalink) Old 10-26-2017, 05:08 PM
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Could be a typo but a 95CI is a Bored 88" and has been proven to put on more Power than the Stock 96 ", which is an 88 with a bit more Stroke .. HD went from 88" to 96" in 2007 ..
When I purchased my 2004 FLSTFI (101st Anniversary, Baby!) I had the dealership install the 95 stage 2 kit. It came with larger Nikasil Cylinders, no boring necessary. The 96 was a longer stroke as it's cheaper for the manufacturer.
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Torque gets you there, horse power keeps you there.
Getting and keeping you where?

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Getting and keeping you where?
Its a expression I have heard since I was a little kid at the dragstrips.


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Its a expression I have heard since I was a little kid at the dragstrips.
Torque x rpm / 5252 = Horsepower
This relationship is like a mathematical marriage... Oh, the compromises!

If you listen to the guys who ride big-twins, they all want 120 ft-lbs at 2000 rpm... but they only want that because they've never had it. The compromises to get that are many, and once there you would find yourself asking, "What have I done?".

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just so you know you already have iron sleeves in your motor matter of fact we all do

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just so you know you already have iron sleeves in your motor matter of fact we all do
No, we don't.
If it's a Victory it has aluminum cylinders that are Nikasil plated. Victory never used ductile iron liners.
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We're saying the same thing Larry.. when I said 'tune' I meant build... you can MAKE a big make big high end HP by what you choose to put in it and tune it to do.. OR you can set it up to be more of a streetable setup with better torque throughout the range, but you high end #'s aren't going to make for great bragging rights.
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My first response is 'let me see the dyno' when someone claims to make 132 HP out of a naturally aspirated 95ci HD. My second response is 'how many times have you rebuilt it?" You can get some good numbers from an HD mill, but generally they aren't going to last. You vic will put down whatever it's putting down till you get tired of running it.. 120/120 as a daily driver solid as steel isn't that unusual.

There's also the type of tuning done... you can tune a bike to make 'max HP' and it would SUCK to ride.. a race bike designed to make those big numbers at redline RPM with a really horrible curve would just be no fun.. it's just bragging rights. Give me a bike with a torque curve flat as a ducks ass and you got a bike that's fun to ride, even if the HP # isn't stratospheric. If all you think you want is a big HP # on a chart go buy a sport bike w/ an 13K redline.. that's how they do it.. the torque may suck but if you keep the mill running at supersonic speeds you can brag all day about how much HP you have.
This may very well be true about 'other' engines.

The Victory lump is inherently so well designed that improvement can be made without the low speed bogging that may occur in other designs.
Our engines work that well unenhanced that enhancing them with the right selection of balanced parts both inside and out does not in fact have any negatives.

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In about two weeks Iíll finally get my bike on a dyno to see some numbers. Over last winter I had the throttle body punched out to 49mm, the Torque Tubes modified to work with the larger TB, added .495 cams and everything required to run them, also got head work done by Star Racing and added high compression (10.4:1) pistons.

Riding around at 3K rpm itís just a normal feeling bike to me,.. Around 3400-3500 the party starts and keeps pulling hard to 6K.

If you do all of that to a lightweight steel frame it should be ok without the extra displacement. Add those extra inches with everything else to a light steel frame and your bike will be an absolute monster. For the core frame bike I would just go with the extra displacement from the get go especially with those bikes being a heavier.
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