Shifter Ratchet, star, and detent replacement - Victory Forums - Victory Motorcycle Forum
 31Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
post #1 of 47 (permalink) Old 04-13-2018, 09:10 AM Thread Starter
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Forest Hill, Tarrant County, Texas
Posts: 44
Default Shifter Ratchet, star, and detent replacement

I have a question about replacing the shift star and detent roller on my bike if needed. Does the clutch basket have to be taken off to install them? I have done some research and can't find a definite answer to this question. I want to avoid having to replace the clutch basket stake nut if possible. I can put on new clutch plates without it. I am also considering replacing the Shifter Ratchet on my 2013 Victory Judge with 25K on it. I bought it about 8 months ago from a used motorcycle dealer off Ebay. I have no idea about what kind of oil was used in it prior to my acquiring or how it was ridden, but overall all I think the previous own neglected it a bit based on what I have had to do to get it in top shape. Plus when I received it the oil was pretty old and had one quart too much in it. The air filter was filthy. There were some other issues. Which indicates to me neglect. It has not shifted well since I acquired it. I have adjusted the clutch, have a new clutch cable, and lubed the shifting linkage etc and it helped some but still does not shift well. So I am thinking about changing out the Shifter Ratchet, and associated parts if needed and also maybe replacing the clutch disks with a Barnett parts. I will also place an copper oil washer on the shift shaft too when I have the cover off. I want to take care of several things while I have the cover off. If I have to take the stake nut off the clutch basket, then I will have to order a new nut and washer. I would prefer not doing this if not necessary. It looks to me from viewing photos that it would be possible without taking this step.
cal_105215 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 47 (permalink) Old 04-13-2018, 11:17 AM
Senior Member
 
RICZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Portland,Oregon
Posts: 12,042
Default

Saying more than I really know here, but I watched a video about changing the ratchet assembly and the clutch was never touched. Re the oil situation; You have already put in fresh oil - I would run it just for a short time and drain it and replace with Rotella T-6 for its heavier additive package and see if the shifting improves. I suggest that you lower the shift lever so that when you slip your foot under it, you have taken up all the slack and preload the shifter prior to the next shift. I think you'll find that will help the shifting a lot. Your experience is a good heads up for buying sight unseen and no test ride. I hope you got it at a bargain price to offset its problems.
Anyhoo...welcome to the wonderful world of Victory motorcycles. Lots of info here and maybe someone else can be more helpful.

2010 Midnight Cherry XR. 7Jurock, Lloydz AF, ATS, AFR tuned VFCIII, IAV, and T-6 and locally repacked pipes = big smiles. SOLD to a dear friend, so it's still in the family."
2017 Spyder F3 Limited - keeps this old guy in the wind and riding with friends.
Cure that ugly stand up license plate with the cheapest and best laydown bracket. Click this:
https://www.victoryforums.com/11-ven...t-x-bikes.html

Last edited by RICZ; 04-13-2018 at 11:28 AM.
RICZ is offline  
post #3 of 47 (permalink) Old 04-13-2018, 01:28 PM Thread Starter
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Forest Hill, Tarrant County, Texas
Posts: 44
Default

Thanks for your input. I checked the service manual or the one available closest to the 2013 Judge. I have been using the 2012 Vegas manual for my Judge and it does not address this question that I can find. Also in their illustrations they show it without the clutch basket on. But it is not conclusive that is necessary.
cal_105215 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 47 (permalink) Old 04-13-2018, 01:50 PM
Senior Member
 
RICZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Portland,Oregon
Posts: 12,042
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cal_105215 View Post
Thanks for your input. I checked the service manual or the one available closest to the 2013 Judge. I have been using the 2012 Vegas manual for my Judge and it does not address this question that I can find. Also in their illustrations they show it without the clutch basket on. But it is not conclusive that is necessary.
I prefer the cheap and easy before proceeding to the time consuming and expensive. What is it exactly that bothers you about the shifting?

2010 Midnight Cherry XR. 7Jurock, Lloydz AF, ATS, AFR tuned VFCIII, IAV, and T-6 and locally repacked pipes = big smiles. SOLD to a dear friend, so it's still in the family."
2017 Spyder F3 Limited - keeps this old guy in the wind and riding with friends.
Cure that ugly stand up license plate with the cheapest and best laydown bracket. Click this:
https://www.victoryforums.com/11-ven...t-x-bikes.html
RICZ is offline  
post #5 of 47 (permalink) Old 04-13-2018, 01:51 PM
Senior Member
 
visionjohnny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: minnesota
Posts: 12,945
Default

First off you can only adjust the clutch when its over night cold never warm or hot. If it wasn't synthetic oil I don't think oil has any thing to do with it.
The guy here that does the vinyl wraps i think had a problem with his shifter star. It turned out the bolt was loose. I don't remember his name but this is how you can get a hold of him for some insight.
Email [email protected] or call toll free
1-800-844-0364
Attached Images
File Type: jpg adj.jpg (24.4 KB, 4 views)

2008 Vision
Mpls, MN.

Please add your state and model of bike you have. Click user CP @ top of page and then far left click edit signature. Thanks
visionjohnny is offline  
post #6 of 47 (permalink) Old 04-13-2018, 04:13 PM Thread Starter
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Forest Hill, Tarrant County, Texas
Posts: 44
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RICZ View Post
I prefer the cheap and easy before proceeding to the time consuming and expensive. What is it exactly that bothers you about the shifting?
I would say having to stomp it real hard to get it in gear or to shift. I want my bike in good shape regardless of the cost up to a certain extent. Plus I am retired so I have a lot of time to spend on working on it. My original question was do you have to remove the Clutch basket in order to change out the shift star and detent lever. I think I have found the answer to that question in a video where the guy says kind of off handed that he has to take out the basket to replace the star etc. Does not give any reasons, just makes that statement in the video. Anyway, my thinking now is to just open it up and see if there is any need to replace anything. Just cost me a new gasket. That Way I will know what I need or if I need anything, plus at the same time put the oil washer on the clutch shaft to see if it helps.
RICZ likes this.

Last edited by cal_105215; 04-13-2018 at 04:29 PM.
cal_105215 is offline  
post #7 of 47 (permalink) Old 04-13-2018, 04:14 PM Thread Starter
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Forest Hill, Tarrant County, Texas
Posts: 44
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by visionjohnny View Post
First off you can only adjust the clutch when its over night cold never warm or hot. If it wasn't synthetic oil I don't think oil has any thing to do with it.
The guy here that does the vinyl wraps i think had a problem with his shifter star. It turned out the bolt was loose. I don't remember his name but this is how you can get a hold of him for some insight.
Email [email protected] or call toll free
1-800-844-0364
Thanks I am fully aware that bike has to set over night before adjusting the clutch and that is what I do and have done. As far as oil, I think it does have some effect on the clutch and may contaminate the disks. I use 20 X 40 Semi-Synthetic Victory oil which is what Victory recommends. So I do not think it is the oil that I used, but maybe oil that was used before I became the owner.

Last edited by cal_105215; 04-13-2018 at 04:21 PM.
cal_105215 is offline  
post #8 of 47 (permalink) Old 04-13-2018, 05:11 PM
Lifetime Premium
 
Motorbikerx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Gold Coast, Australia.
Posts: 8,616
Garage
Default

Youll only need to replace the shift ratchet.
In my experience it takes very little wear on the edges of the teeth that engage the star for imprecise shifting to occur.
And it wont get any better till you change it and add the oil drain washer to take out the side play that aggravates the shift ratchet in the first place.
The star is tough as nails , Id leave it be.
Shift ratchet is the weak link.
Happy Shifting.
RICZ likes this.

Victory Vegas 2010
Lloydz 109"cube big bore
" " 495 cams
" " TorqueTubes
" " timing wheel @4 deg.
" " Primary plate
" " IAV
RPW Slash pipes
PCV
Progressive 465 rear shock
Kingpin USD Forks
18" XC front wheel
1 3/4" 'Burleigh Bars'
Stebel air horn
12.106 @110.90mph
114/123

Victory Cross Country 2010 (106)
Lloyds air filter
" " VM1 Cams
Home gutted exhaust
Maximus
Both tuned by [email protected] Dyno
110/116

Gold Coast
Australia
Motorbikerx is online now  
post #9 of 47 (permalink) Old 04-13-2018, 07:12 PM
Senior Member
 
RICZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Portland,Oregon
Posts: 12,042
Default

Question....
Is there a better aftermarket shifter ratchet, or does one have to use and OEM one?

2010 Midnight Cherry XR. 7Jurock, Lloydz AF, ATS, AFR tuned VFCIII, IAV, and T-6 and locally repacked pipes = big smiles. SOLD to a dear friend, so it's still in the family."
2017 Spyder F3 Limited - keeps this old guy in the wind and riding with friends.
Cure that ugly stand up license plate with the cheapest and best laydown bracket. Click this:
https://www.victoryforums.com/11-ven...t-x-bikes.html
RICZ is offline  
post #10 of 47 (permalink) Old 04-13-2018, 07:45 PM
Lifetime Premium
 
Motorbikerx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Gold Coast, Australia.
Posts: 8,616
Garage
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RICZ View Post
Question....
Is there a better aftermarket shifter ratchet, or does one have to use and OEM one?
Not as far as I know.
But I reckon a dab of good weld and careful grinding would restore the profile.
Youd need a new one to compare to get it correct.
Weld may be stronger and not wear like the original.
One day when originals arent available we are gonna need to try it.
RICZ likes this.

Victory Vegas 2010
Lloydz 109"cube big bore
" " 495 cams
" " TorqueTubes
" " timing wheel @4 deg.
" " Primary plate
" " IAV
RPW Slash pipes
PCV
Progressive 465 rear shock
Kingpin USD Forks
18" XC front wheel
1 3/4" 'Burleigh Bars'
Stebel air horn
12.106 @110.90mph
114/123

Victory Cross Country 2010 (106)
Lloyds air filter
" " VM1 Cams
Home gutted exhaust
Maximus
Both tuned by [email protected] Dyno
110/116

Gold Coast
Australia
Motorbikerx is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Victory Forums - Victory Motorcycle Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in













Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome