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Hay group, my 2010 Cross Country's fuel pump has been not coming on with the key sometimes lately. The first time, just toggling the key on and off cleared it but a couple days ago, just before an important long-distance ride, she was totally uncooperative and I was in a panic so I came HERE of course and learned that the fuel relay is know to get lazy on older bikes and simply swapping it with one of the adjacent identical relays often temporarily rectifies the problem. Well it DIDN'T immediately, but after some contact cleaning and more swapping it finally did trigger the fuel pump and I was able to start and make my trip uneventfully, with the bike running fine since. But I gotta admit I'm properly scared every time I turn that key now and that's just no fun so it must be fixed beyond any doubt.

Here's the offending part (pic below) which I need to locate and purchase at least one of, if not all 3, which I presume are identical and all prone to the same degradation. I'll be asking Paulee of Honda East Toledo for pricing and availability on these but before I do does anyone know of other components in that chain of command that should be replaced? I thought I read something about a flasher and some other diode... causing electrical gremlins. Nobody needs gremlins. If there is a recommended total-procedure I think it's time for me to do it. Thanks for any assistance and hopefully this post can serve as a reference on part numbers and current availability.
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Take it to NAPA and see what they can do for you. These parts come from the car world.
I would write Rylan and ask him what might be going on.

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Take it to NAPA and see what they can do for you. These parts come from the car world.
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Well I was afraid of that, I emailed Rylan Monday and have gotten no response. I can't blame him for not jumping immediately at the chance to give away his time for free to every Shmoe who has a question - BUT - it kinda worries me that now I can't get the fuel pump to initialize at all no matter how many times I swap around the 3 relays or toggle the key or killswitch. The circuit is just not completing and I'm concerned that the problem is deeper than just a relay. On it's best day I was always kinda on my own with this bike since the closest authorized service or parts is 70 miles away but since the 'orphaning' it's starting to feel pretty lonely <tear rolls down cheek>. FWIW so far I haven't found an exact match to the relay anywhere but Victory so I guess I better get to ordering it (them) and hold my breath that it improves the situation.

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Anyway, 3 relays are now on their way to me from Holda East Toledo - THANKS PAULIE! We'll see if that makes any difference.
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Anyway, 3 relays are now on their way to me from Holda East Toledo - THANKS PAULIE! We'll see if that makes any difference.
i would have put a jumper across the terminals or measured to see if the relay is even getting 12 volts to fire up. if you put your finger on the relay you should feel it click when 12 volts is applied to the coil.

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apply 12 volts across pin 86 and 85, then check for continuity between pin 87 and 30.
I would be surprised if it was the relay. maybe a bad connection, loose or corroded.
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The bike does not run, right?
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Does it turn over when you hit the start button? Do you regularly use the kill switch to shut off the bike?
If your answers are no and yes. You most likely have a bad kill switch contact in the right switch cube

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i would have put a jumper across the terminals or measured to see if the relay is even getting 12 volts to fire up. if you put your finger on the relay you should feel it click when 12 volts is applied to the coil.
Ah, now there is some advice I could have used a few days ago. So if I unclip the fuse block and turn it over to the backside will I be able to access the terminals you're talking about from back there? I had that fuse block in my hands a few times but never really turned it over to examine the backside. I think I can get my hands on a meter to measure voltage, which wire coming out of the backside of that fuseblock should I be testing for 12 volts - and in the name of education - if it's anything under 12 volts, what would be causing that deficit, a weak stator or some other sort of voltage regulator device?

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apply 12 volts across pin 86 and 85, then check for continuity between pin 87 and 30.
I would be surprised if it was the relay. maybe a bad connection, loose or corroded.
Do you have any advice on how one would go about cleaning the terminals inside a contact block like this? (fuse box). And when you say apply 12v across pins I presume you mean with the relay unplugged, or can that be done by poking leads into the backside of the block? I'm suddenly having visions of cracking open my battery compartment and fashioning alligator clip leads in the dirt.

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The bike does not run, right?
Oh the bike runs beautifully - ONCE you hear the fuel pump initialize and prime itself. But until you get that sound all it's gonna do is crank and never fire.

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Does it turn over when you hit the start button? Do you regularly use the kill switch to shut off the bike?
If your answers are no and yes. You most likely have a bad kill switch contact in the right switch cube
As said above, it'll crank (forever) but not fire when I hit the start button, and yes I use the kill switch all the time. Doesn't everyone? When you roll up to a stop and go to turn off your motor, how do you take your left hand off your clutch to turn the key unless you kill the motor first? And don't say shift into neutral because you know a Cross Country doesn't do that worth a damn

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Ah, now there is some advice I could have used a few days ago. So if I unclip the fuse block and turn it over to the backside will I be able to access the terminals you're talking about from back there? I had that fuse block in my hands a few times but never really turned it over to examine the backside. I think I can get my hands on a meter to measure voltage, which wire coming out of the backside of that fuseblock should I be testing for 12 volts - and in the name of education - if it's anything under 12 volts, what would be causing that deficit, a weak stator or some other sort of voltage regulator device?

Do you have any advice on how one would go about cleaning the terminals inside a contact block like this? (fuse box). And when you say apply 12v across pins I presume you mean with the relay unplugged, or can that be done by poking leads into the backside of the block? I'm suddenly having visions of cracking open my battery compartment and fashioning alligator clip leads in the dirt.

Oh the bike runs beautifully - ONCE you hear the fuel pump initialize and prime itself. But until you get that sound all it's gonna do is crank and never fire.

As said above, it'll crank (forever) but not fire when I hit the start button, and yes I use the kill switch all the time. Doesn't everyone? When you roll up to a stop and go to turn off your motor, how do you take your left hand off your clutch to turn the key unless you kill the motor first? And don't say shift into neutral because you know a Cross Country doesn't do that worth a damn
well i would clean the relay terminals. i would make sure you hear and feel the Puel pump relay click when you turn on the key and the kill switch. If you dont then the coil is not being energized. By looking at the electrical diagram of the relay, there appears to be a resister in parallel with the coil so Therese will be a voltage drop across that. Not sure why the have that, unless that is supposed to be a diode and not a resister. A diode is must commonly used for prevent feedback. Again... put a finger on top of the relay and try to get the fuel pump to prime

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