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post #1 of 57 (permalink) Old 04-30-2013, 03:48 PM Thread Starter
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Default XC Vic Stage 1 vs. Lloydz set up - Opinions

What's up all? Been a while since I've been on the forum. Snow is pretty well gone up here in Sask. so time to put rubber to road.

I'm doing my exhaust set up asap. My bro will be doing his as well. He is sold on the Vic Stage 1 and I am thinking about a set up from Lloydz.

Here are the two options we are considering for our XCs:
- Victory Stage 1
- RPW V-211, VFC-III, Lloydz XC/XR Hi Flow Air Filter

Here are the considerations:
- Performance. I have seen the dyno of the vic stage 1 but not of this other set up from Lloyd
- Fuel controller vs. map - I haven't been a fan of the map in the past. I always ran too lean.
- Value
- Price
- Sound - I have heard that the Vic stage 1's sound pretty weak. At the same time, I don't want to sound obnoxious.

I'm hoping to get some good insight here boys like I always do. This thread will help me make the call for sure.

Thanks in advance. Peace.

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post #2 of 57 (permalink) Old 05-01-2013, 07:02 PM
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I went with k&n and fuel controller. And I can adjust that.

How do you adjust the flash.. You can't your stuck with what they give you... That is if there is any changes in that flash at all.

If your talking performance go with Lloydz. Get a fuel controller and adjust it to work with what ever you have, free flowing pipes or quiet pipes. You can't do that with a flash....

Good luck with what ever way you decide to go.

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The newer Victory Tri-Oval pipe's sound a LOT better than the "old Stage 1" pipes and they are designed to be used with the Stage 1 flash.

The Lloyds air filter is the BEST mod for the $'s (something like 3-6HP for $130) so even if you DO go with the Stage 1 tune from Victory, you can still do the Lloyds Air filter.




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From the dyno charts I've seen you should easily be able to get about 90+ HP and over 105 torque with a Llyodz air filter, tuner and decent pipes like the RPW. That's rear wheel numbers. How does that compare to the Victory Stage 1 dyno numbers you've seen?

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From the dyno charts I've seen you should easily be able to get about 90+ torque and over 105 HP with a Llyodz air filter, tuner and decent pipes like the RPW. That's rear wheel numbers. How does that compare to the Victory Stage 1 dyno numbers you've seen?
Pretty certain you mistakenly flipped those numbers right, XKnight? If so, I would agree that we can get over 90HP and 105TQ out of these bikes with little more than the Stage 1, Pipes & the Lloyds Air Filter. Here's my before & after Dyno's with just the Lloyds Air Filter and my stock bike.

100% stock..


10 minutes after Lloyds Filter change...





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Pretty certain you mistakenly flipped those numbers right, XKnight? If so, I would agree that we can get over 90HP and 105TQ out of these bikes with little more than the Stage 1, Pipes & the Lloyds Air Filter.
Yup, my dyslexia seems to be kicking in. I edited it.
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Ndabunka, did you flash the computer too or is that change just from the air filter?

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Here's my before & after Dyno's with just the Lloyds Air Filter and my stock bike.

100% stock..


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Here's my before & after Dyno's with just the Lloyds Air Filter and my stock bike.
The different scaling between runs is deceiving. Looks to me like you actually lost power up to about 4500 rpms.

_________2500 rpm___3000 rpm___3500 rpm___4000 rpm___4500 rpm
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Stock______45_________55________65__________74____ ____80

Lloyd______30_________35 ________50__________65________80


The slight bit you gained at the very top hardly makes up for the loss everywhere else, plus, who the hell rides these things at 4500 rpm all the time?




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Ndabunka, did y ou flash the computer too or is that change just from the air filter?
According to the paperwork from the original purchase, nothing was done prior to ownership but this IS a Ness edition and some have mentioned that the Ness editions "might" have had a flash but others INSIST that there were no engine mods to the Ness bikes so I can't really say for certain that a flash wasn't done beforehand without my or the 2nd dealer's knowledge (2nd dealer got the bike transferred to them from the 1st dealer). It had 2 miles on it when I got it.

As to Saddlebag's translation.. Not really certain where he go the odd ratios from but as you can see, there is a big difference between 3500 & 4500 which I am in a lot. Here is that other dyno showing both the original run and a second run (with the filter) about a year apart that is on the same scale and shows improved power through all ranges. As you can see, the peak number is a bit lower (due to poor weather conditions on that year later run).





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As to Saddlebag's translation.. Not really certain where he go the odd ratios from
The initial plot you provided. Do you see numbers on it different than those I see?

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but I DO have that other dyno that shows both the original run and a second run (with the filter) about a year apart that is on the same scale and shows improved power through all ranges.
Actually, this graph shows that the stock still performed better up to about 3300 rpm.

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As you can see, the peak number is a bit lower (due to poor weather conditions on that year later run).
After a year, the Lloyd's is probably starting to clog up causing better low end and lesser top end i.e. more like the stock filter.




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