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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 08-21-2011, 04:30 AM Thread Starter
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Hi from China!

My 2005 Kingpin has very low mileage, so I am scared that I need a fuel pump rebuild. But here's what happened:

Bike has been starting fine, running fine, not a problem.

Then, I noticed a couple of rides ago, that my signal lights weren't working. My 4-ways would flash once or twice, then stop. Some times. But the signals light had stopped working all together.

OK, into the fuse box and saw the 15 amp signal fuse had blown. No problem, replaced it. The signal lights still wouldn't work.

Noticed some corrosion in the fuse receptacles, so removed all of them (including the relays) and cleaned the contacts and used WD40 to clean out the fuse box connections.

Signal light still wouldn't work. OK, I will figure that out later.

But when I got on my bike to go home, it wouldn't start! This has never happened.

After about 4 attempts, it fired up and ran for about 10 seconds, then died. It definitely will not start now.

The fuel pump hums for a few seconds when the key is turned on (as normal), but the bike won't fire.

Any suggestions / ideas?

I'm in China where a Victory is very unique (hence, no parts, no service, only HD buddies that laugh at me, etc).

Tx for your help.
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Go back to what you did... do it again BUT leave out the WD40 part of the equation. Even though WD40 is a water displacement product it still has a petroleum base and can cause shorting in the fuse box. Clean everything again with a spray contact cleaner... don't splash it on the paint Then use dielectric grease on your connectors.

Also trouble shoot the flasher problem by using a multimeter starting at the sockets going back to the power source... you will probably find a pinched or crimped wire. Remember once crimped or pinched always a problem so replace it.

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First things first.....
While WD40 will not short anything; it is also not a cleaner. So some contact cleaner would be a good idea
In your fuse box there is 2 fuses in the box that are black. They are NOT fuses. They are diodes, and are directional.

Pull the turn signal fuse back out of the bike, and see if it fires. If it does fire. Locate the speed sensor which "looks" at the teeth of the front sprocket, and unplug it. replace the fuse, and try again. If it then starts. You need a speed sensor. Why it is wired in such a way that auto cancel can kill the bike is beyond me

If you are still troubleshooting then a fuel pressure gauge will be needed. the gauge is nothing special to Vic, and common to many auto manufactures . Most come with an adapter kit for all makes.
Pressure should be 49 to 51psi

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Thanks guys for these super fast replies! It is late a night in Beijing, so I will try it tomorrow.

Hopefully, I can also find some contact cleaner ... anyone know how to ask for that in Chinese?

Didn't know that WD40 was not appropriate as an electrical contact cleaner ... learn something new every day.

By the way, here's a picture of the new Polaris dealership that just opened in Beijing. For now, it is only selling 4-wheeled ATVs but the rumor is that Victory is coming in 2012.

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Dear handyhoward & kevinx ... you guys are great. A free MC tour & beer if you make it over to China.

So, this is what happened.

Spent all morning chasing down contact cleaner in Beijing. Trust me, this was no small feat. Anyways, got it. Actually, I bought the store's entire stock. The store owner is probably telling his wife about this crazy foreigner coming into his shop & buying every can of contact cleaner. Probably thinks I sniff it, or something.

Cleaned everything out in the fuse box & kept the signal light fuse out. This time I primed the fuel pump. Hit the starter and she fired right up, as usual.

Let it warm up a bit then shut her down.

Put a fresh fuse in. I also replaced all the signal light bulbs. Without starting the engine, but ignition in on position, I tried the signal lights. Right one worked fine, left one ... nada. Turned the bike's ignition switch to off. Checked the left bulbs again, looked fine but nevertheless swapped out the left side with even more fresh bulbs, checked the fuse (it was ok).

Turned the bike on (again, without starting), once again neither side of the signal lights worked. Huh?

But the bike starts and runs just fine, each time, every time.

Rode it to fill the tank with gas. After leaving the pump, I pulled over to reset my trip odometer (engine remained running) ... when I held the trip odometer button, there was a little cough from the engine and the Check Engine light came on and stayed on (also, still no signals). Bike was running fine, though, after that cough and after the check engine light came on. It may have been pure coincidence that this happened while I was resetting my trip odometer.

Was really pressed for time, so I rode it home and it ran perfectly, although the Engine Light remained on during the entire ride home. I parked it ... will play around over the coming week with a multimeter & check out the speed sensor.

Any suggestions would be helpful.

Still ... I absolutely love this bike ... a lot.
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Three main reasons that check engine light comes on...

Charging or battery connection
ECM looses it's throttle point reference[see pinned thread at top of tech forum]
Speed sensor shorting internally[I think this is your real issue]

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Pull the turn signal fuse back out of the bike, and see if it fires.
It starts.

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If it does fire. Locate the speed sensor which "looks" at the teeth of the front sprocket, and unplug it. replace the fuse, and try again.
It starts.

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If it then starts. You need a speed sensor.
OK, speed sensor it is.

Thanks very much for your help - sent you a PM.
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I have removed the speed sensor from the bike.

Bike starts & idles fine, but I have not ridden it anywhere.

Is it OK to ride around without the speed sensor until a new one arrives? Or am I risking damaging some other component?

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I have removed the speed sensor from the bike.

Bike starts & idles fine, but I have not ridden it anywhere.

Is it OK to ride around without the speed sensor until a new one arrives? Or am I risking damaging some other component?

Thanks
Ride it as much as you want. No negative impact except maybe a check engine light

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hopefully, i can also find some contact cleaner ... Anyone know how to ask for that in chinese? :d
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