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post #1 of 7 (permalink) Old 08-24-2011, 10:06 PM Thread Starter
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Just changed my oil (used the Vic oil and filter, so the warranty gods may sleep well tonight) and found that the dealer had put in 5 quarts when I had the first oil change performed. I mean, 5 FULL quarts instead of the recommended 4-1/2. I put in the 4-1/2 and checked the level with the bike straight up, and it was on the "Full" mark of the dipstick.

What's up with that???? That was a "No-no" taught to me by my dad, as he relayed to me that it would cause excessive oil seal leakage. Many folks declared that it would cause the seals to "blow", but I think it was more likely that the seals would leak the excess oil out, and folks thought that there was something wrong with the seals.

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Just changed my oil (used the Vic oil and filter, so the warranty gods may sleep well tonight) and found that the dealer had put in 5 quarts when I had the first oil change performed. I mean, 5 FULL quarts instead of the recommended 4-1/2. I put in the 4-1/2 and checked the level with the bike straight up, and it was on the "Full" mark of the dipstick.

What's up with that???? That was a "No-no" taught to me by my dad, as he relayed to me that it would cause excessive oil seal leakage. Many folks declared that it would cause the seals to "blow", but I think it was more likely that the seals would leak the excess oil out, and folks thought that there was something wrong with the seals.

What say you, oh wise and sage KevinX?
Wait... back up a minute... how do you know that the dealer put in 5 full quarts during an oil change that I'm guessing was some miles ago... if it's because he charged you for it, that doesn't count... it's called the roll it forward surplus business model. You see, for every 9 oil changes the dealer gets one free...LOL. You are charged for 5 quarts of oil, but there is a half quart left over... and if you don't ask for it, you don't get it. Even when some dealers use bulk oil they charge by the full quart...

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my oil reclamation tray has measurement marks on it.

he may know by draining it and seeing how much is there...
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Most dealers use the 5qt bottle of oil from Vic, and there is a little left in the bottle when done. Most good mechanics will use that remainder to top off the oil on customers bikes when they notice them to be a little low. No deviase bussiness plan to get free oil changes.
Back in the old days when cars had simple vent systems; theat could easily get plugged by overfilling. Yes you could blow a seal that way. However we are a little more advanced then that now, and we have also learned that sumping lower oil levels means more power. All that leads to this. I have no worries about you being .4qt overfilled. Worse case scenerio is that it migrates a little to the intake, and is burned

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A friend with a '03 Harley FLHTP was puking oil out of the air filter when it was hot. Recommendation by the dealership was to change the oil to straight 60 weight and run it a half quart low when it is hot out.

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Most dealers use the 5qt bottle of oil from Vic, and there is a little left in the bottle when done. Most good mechanics will use that remainder to top off the oil on customers bikes when they notice them to be a little low. No deviase bussiness plan to get free oil changes.
Back in the old days when cars had simple vent systems; theat could easily get plugged by overfilling. Yes you could blow a seal that way. However we are a little more advanced then that now, and we have also learned that sumping lower oil levels means more power. All that leads to this. I have no worries about you being .4qt overfilled. Worse case scenerio is that it migrates a little to the intake, and is burned
Kevinx, it's pretty obvious from your posts on this forum that you are a great guy and really care about how people are treated and believe in doing your best to see that customers receive the best service experience that is possible. I do not know where this trait comes from and I guess it's not important to know... I on the other hand have traveled extensively throughout the world and unfortunately have witnessed the other side more often than not. My comment about dealers keeping the remaining half quart of oil after an oil change, but charging for the full quart because it was opened, comes from personal experience... and by more than one dealer... both automotive and motorcycle. I hate that you take it so personally and I will try and present that kind of info in a different manner if I can. I did try and defend the original dealer in this scenario by asking first off how it was determined that there was an extra half quart put in the engine to begin with...

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Kevinx, it's pretty obvious from your posts on this forum that you are a great guy and really care about how people are treated and believe in doing your best to see that customers receive the best service experience that is possible. I do not know where this trait comes from and I guess it's not important to know... I on the other hand have traveled extensively throughout the world and unfortunately have witnessed the other side more often than not. My comment about dealers keeping the remaining half quart of oil after an oil change, but charging for the full quart because it was opened, comes from personal experience... and by more than one dealer... both automotive and motorcycle. I hate that you take it so personally and I will try and present that kind of info in a different manner if I can. I did try and defend the original dealer in this scenario by asking first off how it was determined that there was an extra half quart put in the engine to begin with...
*LOL* Notice I said MOST

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