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I have searched on the form for a map for my specific set up:
Stage 1 ECU
Stage 1 Shotgun Exhaust
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Lloydz Timing Wheel (set to +4 degrees)

Lloydz website says the timing wheel "works with any combination of parts and will make timing adjustments under 2500 rpms. Power commander 5 can only do above that so this product can compliment the PCV and other fuel controllers", but then the instructions for the wheel say that if you install the wheel with a power commander that also advances the timing, it will add the two together and potentially destroy the motor. These two statements seem contradictory.

Anyone have a similar setup that could share a map with me or point me to a better library of maps?

I would like to run this bike now that I have my fuel pump issue squared away and all these other mods complete, but I don't want to hurt it in the process.

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No two bikes are the exact same...are you looking for something to get you by until you get yours tuned? Go in to the timing tables and look at your timing advance if any. What lloyd is saying is this: the pc5 is capable of adjusting your timing above 2500 rpms. The wheel is mechanical timing...if you have the wheel set at plus 4 degrees and in the pc5 has an advanc of +2 then technically your total timing is +6 degrees. When you get higher degrees of timing the likelihood for lean pinging increases.

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say Kevinx is down at Polaris of Gainesville get a hold of him I'm sure he could tell you a good starting point or even tune it for you

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I have searched on the form for a map for my specific set up:
Stage 1 ECU
Stage 1 Shotgun Exhaust
Lloydz High Flow Air Box
Lloydz Timing Wheel (set to +4 degrees)

Lloydz website says the timing wheel "works with any combination of parts and will make timing adjustments under 2500 rpms. Power commander 5 can only do above that so this product can compliment the PCV and other fuel controllers", but then the instructions for the wheel say that if you install the wheel with a power commander that also advances the timing, it will add the two together and potentially destroy the motor. These two statements seem contradictory.

Anyone have a similar setup that could share a map with me or point me to a better library of maps?

I would like to run this bike now that I have my fuel pump issue squared away and all these other mods complete, but I don't want to hurt it in the process.
The timing wheel adjusts the timing by lying to the ECU about shaft position. It doesn't stop doing that just because the RPMs increase.

The statement about them complementing each other does not mean that the PCV takes over where the ATS stops. The ATS does not stop at any RPM.

The PCV can do similar things above 2500 RPM so you need to add or subtract using the PCV if you want something different above that RPM than the ATS is already giving you. If you thought you needed say 5 degrees at 3500, you would add in the 1 degree with the PCV that the 4 degree ATS was not already giving you.

I was a little confused too, until I had the bike apart and could see what the timing wheel actually does.

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Thanks old man. I guess I misunderstood what the two statements were. I believe I have it now: the PCV can only change timing above 2500 RPM so adding the timing wheel to catch engine speeds below 2500 RPM to get better off the line power. I need to adjust the advance in the PCV so the aggregate of both parts equal the total desired advance.

With respect to the tuning maps, I know that no two bikes are the same and all parts are different, but there seem to be hundreds of people asking for maps on the forums. I was hoping there was a larger database than the one that comes with the PCV. The included maps are for bikes with way less mods than I have (stock, stage 1,etc) or way more mods (cams, big bore, etc).

I have the auto tune as well, so after a bunch of riding, I suppose I could get it tuned properly, but I was looking for a decent base map that was closer to what I have installed.


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Thanks old man. I guess I misunderstood what the two statements were. I believe I have it now: the PCV can only change timing above 2500 RPM so adding the timing wheel to catch engine speeds below 2500 RPM to get better off the line power. I need to adjust the advance in the PCV so the aggregate of both parts equal the total desired advance.

With respect to the tuning maps, I know that no two bikes are the same and all parts are different, but there seem to be hundreds of people asking for maps on the forums. I was hoping there was a larger database than the one that comes with the PCV. The included maps are for bikes with way less mods than I have (stock, stage 1,etc) or way more mods (cams, big bore, etc).

I have the auto tune as well, so after a bunch of riding, I suppose I could get it tuned properly, but I was looking for a decent base map that was closer to what I have installed.


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I reckon your mods are fairly close to mine so maybe my MAP would do the trick, its for PCV on a 100 cube 6 speed.
Dont know exactly how Id get it from my bike to my computer and how I could send it?...anyone got any ideas?...maybe we could start a database on here of MAP programs for different stages of tune..
wouldnt be spot on tailormade but could be close enough to stop yr bike leaning out and melting a piston or crisping an exhaust valve?

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