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Hello men , I was wondering about pinging / detonation issues when setting the ATS at /or above 4 degrees of advance . I've read some posts of yours that you are getting pinging even @ 4 and some have no issue with pinging . I have mine set a +4 but have yet to start her up for the first time with it installed . This is steel framed bikes only as they seem to have less tolerance for advance . I'm wondering if certain upgrades affect this also , IE; Intake , exhaust , cams etc ... Any input would be helpful .

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If you get pinging, it would probably only happen under acceleration. I don't think there'd be any harm in firing it up.



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All the ATS reading I have done in regards to the steel framed bikes shows they are set up differently than the Cross bikes and Visions. They don't seem to like to much timing. Unfortunately you will be tinkering with this thing till you get it out on a good hot day which is when you should make your final timing adjustment. Call Lloyds and ask them which is a good base to start with. It may be that 4* is too much or just right. Just starting it though will not hurt anything. Listen carefully if you ride it though. The noise you never heard before that sounds like rocks hitting your front fender is detonation. If it shows up right away then back off to 2* and try it. Still a warm day in the future may find you adjusting again.

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Hello men , I was wondering about pinging / detonation issues when setting the ATS at /or above 4 degrees of advance . I've read some posts of yours that you are getting pinging even @ 4 and some have no issue with pinging . I have mine set a +4 but have yet to start her up for the first time with it installed . This is steel framed bikes only as they seem to have less tolerance for advance . I'm wondering if certain upgrades affect this also , IE; Intake , exhaust , cams etc ... Any input would be helpful .
Mags, Do you have a fuel tuner? Has your bike ever been dyno tuned?
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Thinking about doing just the basic upgrades, muffs,loyds filter,and ATS. only 91 oct. is readily available up here, would like to know whos running the wheel on 91 with no problems on the newer xct bikes...

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Mags, Do you have a fuel tuner? Has your bike ever been dyno tuned?
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Kyle is in RI. Saddle up this spring and get that Hammer hammering brudda. It will be money well spent. Wondering and worrying will be a thing of the past. Theres not a better feeling than knowing you bike is right every time you fire it up. Miles of smiles!
Thanks Slick , I have heard a lot of good stuff about Kyle . I will look into that this week . I do have the PCV , and a pretty darn good tune I got from a fellow forum member . But I'm sure a dyno tune would be superior to anything else . I'm trying to figure out why some guys are getting the pinging , and some are not . Also , I am not afraid at all to start and run my bike , if it pings I will simply back off on the timing .

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I'm trying to figure out why some guys are getting the pinging , and some are not .
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Also ambient temperature. Folks in Arizona might ping more than folks in Alaska.

But yes, steel framed bikes seem to be more advanced than the Cross bikes, which are more retarded from the factory. If you're on a steel bike, the +2 or +3 might be what works for most, while for cross bikes seems to be +6 (+/- 2).

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Zombie was just saying he uses 93 , and is getting the ping @ 4+ .... 93 is generally what I use , although Sunoco ultra 94 is readily available around here . I haven't even started mine yet , so I don't know what's going to happen ... I will just be prepared to adjust it accordingly I guess . I wish I would have realized this before burning 162.00 . The cross bikes like the timing kick much better then the Steels ....

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Also ambient temperature. Folks in Arizona might ping more than folks in Alaska.
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