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post #1 of 34 (permalink) Old 04-28-2014, 12:13 AM Thread Starter
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Riding on South beach in Miami got into heavy traffic. Pulled over when I got out of it and shut the bike off for about 10 minutes. Went ti take off and it would start spit and sputter and die. Waited about 25 min and it started and is running fine now. Has anyone had this happen with the 106 motor ? I also had to back the timing wheel off to 1 degree advance when I got down to florida. It was pinging bad.


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Any other mods beside the timing wheel? Do you have a tuner? Might want to include all mods in your signature, it'll help us figure out how to help you if we know your setup.

You're pinging because you were too lean in my guess. Your bike shouldn't have a problem running it at +4 even without a tuner though. I've not heard of anybody with those symptoms before but does sound timing related. I'd doubt you were overheating, these bikes can really take the heat.

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Has stage 1 download pipes and air filter. The bike had the problems after I took the timing down to 1 degree advance. I was in stop and go traffic for about 45 min. Not moving more then 10 mph the whole time. After I turned the timing back it quit pining.


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The temp outside was around 90 degrees.


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90 degrees is nothing, it'll handle 100+ all day long. Many of us ride in warmer climates and sit in stop and go traffic at over 100 including myself. I truly don't think you were overheating. However, outside air temp will affect the degree you ping at. For example you may be able to run +6 on the wheel all day at 65 degrees but ping like crazy when it's 90 degrees. I ran into that with my timing wheel, it's due to a lean condition and would require a fuel tuner to richen the AFR up to prevent the pinging. Your answer may be in a PCIII or PCV tuner... I'm sure others will chime in and you'll get several suggestions and things to check...once they wake up

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I am going to take it to the Vic shop for cams but not till september. I think it got hot. The wheel is set at 1 advance now. Who knows. It ran fine after I let it sit for 25 minutes. What else could it of been.


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I am going to take it to the Vic shop for cams but not till september. I think it got hot. The wheel is set at 1 advance now. Who knows. It ran fine after I let it sit for 25 minutes. What else could it of been.


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It may have got hot but not from the outside temp per say...from being too lean, hence your pinging. When you run advanced to the point of pinging real bad, the motor will run much hotter. That's why most folks on here prefer to run richer over lean. If you had a fuel tuner installed and set your AFR to a richer mixture, my guess is you wouldn't have pinged and wouldn't have got hot and wouldn't have had an issue. I believe a tuner is your answer.

You may be able to run a certain degree of advance in one area but not another, humidity, temperature, elevation, all that plays a part in your engines performance.

You'll have a very difficult time locating somebody who had engine trouble from stop n go in 90 degree temps...I've never heard of it...from a Victory. There is something else going on aside from the outside temp, like I mentioned, I believe that to be your advanced timing and a lean condition. If you have no further issues at +1 on the wheel, that lends support to the theory.

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Sounds to me like you and a vapor lock, when the bike gets that hot and you turn it off the heat from the engine will turn the fuel in the lines into vapor, therefore there is no gas in the lines just vapor. Once it cooled down or you continue to try and start it the fuel pump will push fuel back threw the lines and all is good again.

I had this happen to mine down in Miami while doing a Ride like a Pro course in 2012 in late May.

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Sounds to me like you and a vapor lock, when the bike gets that hot and you turn it off the heat from the engine will turn the fuel in the lines into vapor, therefore there is no gas in the lines just vapor. Once it cooled down or you continue to try and start it the fuel pump will push fuel back threw the lines and all is good again.



I had this happen to mine down in Miami while doing a Ride like a Pro course in 2012 in late May.

That makes sense. Man I love my bike. Hopefully this is not ongoing problem. After turning the wheel back I can tell the difference in power. I really dont care about that as long as it will run.


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Any other mods beside the timing wheel? Do you have a tuner? Might want to include all mods in your signature, it'll help us figure out how to help you if we know your setup.

You're pinging because you were too lean in my guess. Your bike shouldn't have a problem running it at +4 even without a tuner though. I've not heard of anybody with those symptoms before but does sound timing related. I'd doubt you were overheating, these bikes can really take the heat.
Mine pings with the wheel set to +2 or higher.... not bad, and I can mitigate it by downshifting, but that's not ideal. So I keep mine at +1 also. Saying no one is having issues at +4 is means you aren't reading the forums. Generally speaking anyone running a stage 1 map of any kind on their ECU is already running timing advance, so you can't add as much with the timing wheel. Also, if you run so much advance that you have to dump too much fuel in, you are negating the benefits of efficient combustion and max torque. There is a balance.

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