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I have a 1999 V92c, a couple of weeks ago I was on a ride and she stalled. When I tried to restart it all I got was a click. I pushed it to the side of the road and took the seat and side panel off to check the fuses. All the fuses were good so I cycled the kill switch and tapped the starter 4 times in quick succession to see if I could hear which relays were clicking and which were not. On the fourth tap it fired up! So I put it back together and went straight home. The next day it fired right up and I went to the gas station to fill it up, it started fine after getting gas and I returned home. Then about an hour later, when my HD buddies showed up for a ride Click!

So I took the seat off and the side cover and it fired up! Put it back together and Click! On the next attempt to start (seat off) I noticed an arc of spark to the input of the Starter Relay Switch (located at the rear of the battery box). I took the relay off inspected and cleaned the terminals, and tapped it up real good. Now it cranks great but no spark!

I have checked the battery, 12.5 volts. All the fuses, good. I can't figure out how to remove the Ignition relay from the fuse box to test it, is there a special tool? The spark plugs are golden brown and relatively new. The starter relay switch, where I saw the arc, is delivering 10 volts out when I crank it over. But there is no juice going to the plugs.

Help please!!!! If I hear one more time that I should have got a Harley I'm going to pick my Vic up and hit someone over the head with it.

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I have a 1999 V92c, a couple of weeks ago I was on a ride and she stalled. When I tried to restart it all I got was a click. I pushed it to the side of the road and took the seat and side panel off to check the fuses. All the fuses were good so I cycled the kill switch and tapped the starter 4 times in quick succession to see if I could hear which relays were clicking and which were not. On the fourth tap it fired up! So I put it back together and went straight home. The next day it fired right up and I went to the gas station to fill it up, it started fine after getting gas and I returned home. Then about an hour later, when my HD buddies showed up for a ride Click!

So I took the seat off and the side cover and it fired up! Put it back together and Click! On the next attempt to start (seat off) I noticed an arc of spark to the input of the Starter Relay Switch (located at the rear of the battery box). I took the relay off inspected and cleaned the terminals, and tapped it up real good. Now it cranks great but no spark!

I have checked the battery, 12.5 volts. All the fuses, good. I can't figure out how to remove the Ignition relay from the fuse box to test it, is there a special tool? The spark plugs are golden brown and relatively new. The starter relay switch, where I saw the arc, is delivering 10 volts out when I crank it over. But there is no juice going to the plugs.

Help please!!!! If I hear one more time that I should have got a Harley I'm going to pick my Vic up and hit someone over the head with it.
keith: when you say that there is no juice to the plugs do you mean that the plug wires arent firing? if so you should check and see if you have voltage (near 12 volts) at the coil. i understand that the problem seems to originate around the starter relay but go ahead and eliminate this end of the circuit. i am away from the shop right now, but i will check my factory manual and physically look at my v92 and see if i can come up with any ideas. it would not hurt to get kevinx involved if possible.

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Thanks SwatsonV92.

Yes. When checked with a timing gun the wires are not firing. When you say coil, are you referring to the starter, located behind the oil cooler? I was looking at that last night trying to decipher my shop manual. The manual says to check the circuit at the primary "side" of the starter but that line runs to a plug very similar to a spark plug wire located on the front of the starter not the side... and it doesn't really resemble the diagram in the manual.

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keith: no, i'm referring to the ignition coil behind the cheese wedge on the left side of the bike. i'm probably jumping the gun on the coil check at this point but it can tell you if 12v is getting thru the system to the ign. coil. also forgot to tell you this a.m. that low battery voltage will cause all sorts of electrical gremlins on these bikes. go ahead and check for voltage at coil but be aware that you should fully charge and load test the battery as one of your basic steps in this process. my 02 factory manual says you need min 10.5 volt at the coil for proper operation, i don't know if this figure is valid for your 99 but it probably is. some of these guys on this forum can probably tell you how to find the man. for your bike on the internet but i'm not that good at this computer stuff yet.

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I realized ignition coils just ater I hit reply.

I don't have a cheese wedge on my '99, so I figure the coils must be up under the tank and air box somewhere. Got a face full of gas the last time I cranked it over with the tank off, that was probably real funny to see just not so much from my point of view.

I've been putting it back on the battery tender each night after messing with it. But the battery is less than 5 weeks old. The test of voltage-out on the starter relay was after a dozen or so cranks, so the 10 volt number may reflect the battery coming down a bit from that.

I'll check the coils next. Do you know if the ignition relay in the fuse box requires a special tool to get out? It's in there real tight and I don't want to brake anything else.

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Starter system is simple straight line diagnosis....

First thing to do is to check the usual suspect. The ground wire is attached to the rear bolt for the left rear peg/board mount. Pull it, clean it, and mount it back

If you still have an issue start with the input lug on the starter relay. Tough it with a grounded test light to test for breaks between terminal, and lug.
Next go to the lug that goes to the starter. Touch it with the test light, and see if it powers up when you hit the button. If yes then go to the lug on the starter, and test again. If you have no power, you have a bad cable[not to uncommon]
If you have no power at the output lug of the relay, look for the trigger wire, and see if the test light lights up when you hit it. If it does then you need a starter relay. If it does not....Well that would be a different tutorial

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I realized ignition coils just ater I hit reply.

I don't have a cheese wedge on my '99, so I figure the coils must be up under the tank and air box somewhere. Got a face full of gas the last time I cranked it over with the tank off, that was probably real funny to see just not so much from my point of view.

I've been putting it back on the battery tender each night after messing with it. But the battery is less than 5 weeks old. The test of voltage-out on the starter relay was after a dozen or so cranks, so the 10 volt number may reflect the battery coming down a bit from that.

I'll check the coils next. Do you know if the ignition relay in the fuse box requires a special tool to get out? It's in there real tight and I don't want to brake anything else.

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Thanks for the diagnostic tips, KevinX. I will follow them and report back.

But so that I might learn something along the way... My starter is turning the engine over but the plugs aren't getting spark, so it's not firing. The problem first started with a loose or poorly shielded wire going into the starter relay switch from the battery. Since I did a little cleaning and added some electrical tape the starter has been cranking. but then I lost spark. I thought the starter relay switch was just a switch, open or closed.

So the starter would still crank with with breaks in the line (circuit)?

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Starter system is simple straight line diagnosis....

First thing to do is to check the usual suspect. The ground wire is attached to the rear bolt for the left rear peg/board mount. Pull it, clean it, and mount it back

If you still have an issue start with the input lug on the starter relay. Tough it with a grounded test light to test for breaks between terminal, and lug.
Next go to the lug that goes to the starter. Touch it with the test light, and see if it powers up when you hit the button. If yes then go to the lug on the starter, and test again. If you have no power, you have a bad cable[not to uncommon]
If you have no power at the output lug of the relay, look for the trigger wire, and see if the test light lights up when you hit it. If it does then you need a starter relay. If it does not....Well that would be a different tutorial
yeah i was going to tell keith to go to basic trouble shooting, check battery charge and all connections down the line but tried to help him figure out why no ignition.

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Thanks for the diagnostic tips, KevinX. I will follow them and report back.

But so that I might learn something along the way... My starter is turning the engine over but the plugs aren't getting spark, so it's not firing. The problem first started with a loose or poorly shielded wire going into the starter relay switch from the battery. Since I did a little cleaning and added some electrical tape the starter has been cranking. but then I lost spark. I thought the starter relay switch was just a switch, open or closed.

So the starter would still crank with with breaks in the line (circuit)?

Thanks again
OK....Didn't realize we were cranking....Sorry. My prime suspect is still that silly ground lug though.

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