Running Rich? - Victory Forums - Victory Motorcycle Forum
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 06-05-2014, 04:36 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Big Tav's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland!
Posts: 976
Default Running Rich?

Hi guys, I know our bikes are know for running a bit lean especially with stage 1 upgrade. I have Swepts and the Stage 1 with K&N Filter.
I asked before if I pulled the stock swept baffles and put in RPW baffles would it run too lean. I had a few replies saying that the Stage 1 tune was barely enough to keep up.

The thing is that I pulled the O2's out of my bike and they are really black. The ends of the pipes are quite black and sooty too.

From the pics would you not say my bike is actually running rich?
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 1.jpg (12.3 KB, 22 views)
File Type: jpg 2.jpg (11.9 KB, 19 views)
File Type: jpg 3.jpg (13.2 KB, 19 views)

2015 Highball Black - Mods being done now!

Suzuki M109R L0 - Sold
BMW K1200R - Sold
Suzuki TL1000R - Sold
2014 Victory Hammer S - Sold

2012 Victory Highball - Swept Pipes, RPW Baffles Stage 1, 02's Removed, Lloydz Timing Wheel 4+, 1/4 Turn Throttle Ring, Mini Bullitt LED Indictors, Kewl Metal Brackets, Arlen Ness Pegs & Grips, Arlen Ness Cam Cover, K&P Oil Filter, Magnetic Sump Plug, Rear Axle Covers, Black Engine Bolt Kit. - Now Sold :(
Big Tav is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 8 (permalink) Old 06-05-2014, 04:54 PM
Senior Member
 
Lostintexas's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: East Texas
Posts: 784
Default

What do your spark plugs look like?
Looking at the O2 sensors may have some merit, but spark plugs tell the story of what is happening inside. Unleaded fuel has a reputation of leaving soot deposits even if everything is in proper order.

Cheers

Some people go their whole life wondering if they made a difference, Marines don't have that problem.~ Ronald Reagan

2012 XCT, AFR+ Gen 4, Lloydz air filter. I don't equate noise with power.
I ride with the Force.
Lostintexas is offline  
post #3 of 8 (permalink) Old 06-05-2014, 06:47 PM
Premium Member
 
dtmmil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Hawley MN
Posts: 4,178
Default

O2 s and tailpipes are going to be black , its due to crap we get for gas nowdays. check your plugs after doing plug chops , that will tell.


Sent from Motorcycle.com Free App

currently bikeless

2012 Cross Country(Imp blue)
de-badged,(self tinted) Klockwerx flare, passenger backrest, passenger touring floorboards, VictoryHID kit, Miller Mufflers short baffles,Lloyds air filter(from witchdr.)Lloyds timing wheel(6*), adjustable drop link, cut seat, removed cats, PCV w/at.
1978(2009) Honda cb750 chopper
Hawley MN(sold)
dtmmil is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 8 (permalink) Old 06-05-2014, 10:26 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Washington State
Posts: 2,243
Default That's rich

That o2 sensor has been in a rich mixture.

Where it is rich I couldn't say. If you had pulled those out after running 100mph for a mile at full throttle and they were that cold then I'd say you have a problem. However if the bike had been idling or running very slowly for a couple of blocks and then idling it would mean that you are rich in your very low speed cells of your fuel map.
For what that is worth...
If the motor had not reached operating temperature before it was shut off it would not indicate as rich a condition as if it had been at operating temperature.

But to answer your question yes that is what rich looks like.
Joe_ is offline  
post #5 of 8 (permalink) Old 06-06-2014, 08:37 AM
Lifetime Premium
 
Motorbikerx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Gold Coast, Australia.
Posts: 8,647
Garage
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dtmmil View Post
O2 s and tailpipes are going to be black , its due to crap we get for gas nowdays. check your plugs after doing plug chops , that will tell.


Sent from Motorcycle.com Free App
Agrees..the spark plugs tell the story of whats happening inside the combution chamber...those 02 sensors are downstream in the sooty exhaust pipes...No indication whatsover

Victory Vegas 2010
Lloydz 109"cube big bore
" " 495 cams
" " TorqueTubes
" " timing wheel @4 deg.
" " Primary plate
" " IAV
RPW Slash pipes
PCV
Progressive 465 rear shock
Kingpin USD Forks
18" XC front wheel
1 3/4" 'Burleigh Bars'
Stebel air horn
12.106 @110.90mph
114/123

Victory Cross Country 2010 (106)
Lloyds air filter
" " VM1 Cams
Home gutted exhaust
Maximus
Both tuned by [email protected] Dyno
110/116

Gold Coast
Australia
Motorbikerx is offline  
post #6 of 8 (permalink) Old 06-06-2014, 12:12 PM
Senior Member
 
Vicbuilder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Central Iowa
Posts: 403
Default

A Victory without a fuel controller will run extremely lean at cruise, and very rich at high throttle/load conditions. So the answer to "Running Rich" is both yes and no.

Rylan Vos
The Vic Shop, Inc
(515)-339-4313
Vicbuilder is offline  
post #7 of 8 (permalink) Old 06-06-2014, 12:26 PM
Premium Member
 
dtmmil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Hawley MN
Posts: 4,178
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicbuilder View Post
A Victory without a fuel controller will run extremely lean at cruise, and very rich at high throttle/load conditions. So the answer to "Running Rich" is both yes and no.

this statement to me is why a pcv or the new vfc4 is the way to go


Sent from Motorcycle.com Free App

currently bikeless

2012 Cross Country(Imp blue)
de-badged,(self tinted) Klockwerx flare, passenger backrest, passenger touring floorboards, VictoryHID kit, Miller Mufflers short baffles,Lloyds air filter(from witchdr.)Lloyds timing wheel(6*), adjustable drop link, cut seat, removed cats, PCV w/at.
1978(2009) Honda cb750 chopper
Hawley MN(sold)
dtmmil is offline  
post #8 of 8 (permalink) Old 06-06-2014, 12:30 PM
Administrator
 
CrossRoads's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: OC, CA
Posts: 5,947
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dtmmil View Post
this statement to me is why a pcv or the new vfc4 is the way to go
Yea, the biggest change I noticed in going from the Cobra Fi2000 to VFC4 was the WOT part. It makes sense that I was running too rich before at WOT.

Please add your bike's year and model to your signature. Here's why.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Riding: 2011 Cross Roads & 2016 Springfield
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
CrossRoads is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Victory Forums - Victory Motorcycle Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools Search this Thread
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome