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first off, Rylan at the vic shop is awesome. he answered the phone after hours and spent the time to talk to me about this issue.

so, my 2010 cross roads now has 8700 miles on it, the first year I ran victory oil, the next 2 seasons I used Castrol semisynthetic 20w-50 motorcycle oil for use with wet clutches. I have never had any issues. this spring I changed it with the same Castrol as before. Saturday I got back from a 2155 mile trip to the smokey mountains and on the way back I stopped at a vic dealer and grabbed an oil change kit. I changed the oil on yesterday and it slipped twice today.

from what I gathered from Rylan, the change in oil types could cause this and it could possibly go away. he also informed me I could be needing a clutch soon. has anyone else had an issue like this arise and go away??

my clutch cable is adjusted so there is plenty of slack, yes it has been checked cold.

if I do need a clutch, Lloyd has the Barnett kit with the steel and fiber plates, is that all I should do? I will have cams soon so I don't want to shortcut anything, lets do this once and be done.
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first off, Rylan at the vic shop is awesome. he answered the phone after hours and spent the time to talk to me about this issue.

so, my 2010 cross roads now has 8700 miles on it, the first year I ran victory oil, the next 2 seasons I used Castrol semisynthetic 20w-50 motorcycle oil for use with wet clutches. I have never had any issues. this spring I changed it with the same Castrol as before. Saturday I got back from a 2155 mile trip to the smokey mountains and on the way back I stopped at a vic dealer and grabbed an oil change kit. I changed the oil on yesterday and it slipped twice today.

from what I gathered from Rylan, the change in oil types could cause this and it could possibly go away. he also informed me I could be needing a clutch soon. has anyone else had an issue like this arise and go away??

my clutch cable is adjusted so there is plenty of slack, yes it has been checked cold.

if I do need a clutch, Lloyd has the Barnett kit with the steel and fiber plates, is that all I should do? I will have cams soon so I don't want to shortcut anything, lets do this once and be done.
Hmm i would think the first path i would take would be to change the oil back to what worked for you... I use amsoil and i have never had the clutch slip... I find it hard to believe you would need a clutch with so little miles on the bike... maybe someone else has had a similar experience and can help more?
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first off, Rylan at the vic shop is awesome. he answered the phone after hours and spent the time to talk to me about this issue.

so, my 2010 cross roads now has 8700 miles on it, the first year I ran victory oil, the next 2 seasons I used Castrol semisynthetic 20w-50 motorcycle oil for use with wet clutches. I have never had any issues. this spring I changed it with the same Castrol as before. Saturday I got back from a 2155 mile trip to the smokey mountains and on the way back I stopped at a vic dealer and grabbed an oil change kit. I changed the oil on yesterday and it slipped twice today.

from what I gathered from Rylan, the change in oil types could cause this and it could possibly go away. he also informed me I could be needing a clutch soon. has anyone else had an issue like this arise and go away??

my clutch cable is adjusted so there is plenty of slack, yes it has been checked cold.

if I do need a clutch, Lloyd has the Barnett kit with the steel and fiber plates, is that all I should do? I will have cams soon so I don't want to shortcut anything, lets do this once and be done.
What does Rylan say as far as a clutch change is concerned. What does he recommend?

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the operative word "COULD" be needing a clutch soon.

At that low miles and with a correctly adjusted clutch and the only change being your oil change that "COULD" have caused the slip.

I'd be going back to the oil you used previous before even considering a clutch change, as it COULD still be servicable for many miles to come.

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The addition of my license plate laydown bracket will fix your clutch and make the rear end look a lot better without that stand up plate. Click the first link in my signature.

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What does Rylan say as far as a clutch change is concerned. What does he recommend?
We didn't go into depth of what would be required, if I do have to replace it the parts will come from him. I just like to read and do as much homework as possible so there are no surprises.

As to changing back to the oil I was using. I can honestly say the bike sounds and shifts much smoother with the victory oil. If I can make it through the transition I'd prefer this route.

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Absolutely change out the clutch. You said it yourself. You are wanting to do comprehensive correction. Clutch is easy and a no brainer. I wouldn't enjoy my machine if it had been slipping and all I had done to cure it was dump different goo in it. Every patch of sand or road snake would have me fretting that the clutch was disintegrating.

I refuse to get embroiled in oil philosophy but as far as comprehensive repair goes, if in doubt tear it out. FWIW Pop will swap in Barnett's when the time comes.

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I agree completely pop. however why spend the money if it will go away and last another 50k? call me crazy but less than 9k miles and I might need a clutch, that's some bull stank!!

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I agree completely pop. however why spend the money if it will go away and last another 50k? call me crazy but less than 9k miles and I might need a clutch, that's some bull stank!!
Bull stank indeed but Pop is Purdy accurate on this one. You just put in the Victory approved oil and now have a slippage problem. That's One for the oil forums. I would really love to know what caused this problem. I going out on a limb on this one but I have to say the non compatibility of the 2 oils possibly. Due to the low mileage on your bike it is hard to believe that you need a clutch already. I wouldn't go back to the Castrol oil though. Check you adjustment and ride a little more. It might just work itself out. If not then it's clutch time.

It has been stated (on an oil thread) that mixing oils is not good. Find what you like that is JASO/40 wt rated and stick with it. It will help eliminate some of the issues with these Trannys and clutches. The Tranny's are bullet proof. The clutch? Not so much.

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Make that JASO-MA...or better yet, JASO-MA2. Look for that in the small print on the back of the container.
There are non-motorcycle oils with that rating and there are some here using it, including yours truly. Analysis shows it holds up exceedingly well.

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