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I need to find out the stock ignition timing curve for my 06 KP 100CI. Is there a scan tool that can read that from the ECM or any other way to check the timing? Rylan says there's no way to check and Lloyd must be busy as he hasn't yet responded to my requests for information.

These PCV maps are useful to look at the offset in advance from stock... i just dont know what the stock curve looks like!

This information will be very useful for my megasquirt build.
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... Rylan says there's no way to check ...
If Rylan said there is no way, you're spinning your wheels for nothing.

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He said there was no way to do it with a timing light.. Not that it was impossible to find out. Lloyd knows what it is im pretty sure but the man's so busy!

Our diagnostic port... anybody use a scan tool on that? I know with obd cars you can use that to check the timing among other things.
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He said there was no way to do it with a timing light.. Not that it was impossible to find out. Lloyd knows what it is im pretty sure but the man's so busy!
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Our diagnostic port... anybody use a scan tool on that? I know with obd cars you can use that to check the timing among other things.
I don't know, but I know you're not supposed to attach an ODB scanner to our bikes - others have done it in the passed and corrupted their ECU. I would not experiment with that. As far as I am aware only Lloyd Greener got to access the Vic ECU and make changes to the code. Vic made it their own on purpose, so only dealers could get to it via their digital wrench.

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You have to get it from Polaris... they make it quite cost prohibitive.

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Could bring donuts to your local Vic mechanic, tell him what you're doing and see if he can help. He has access to a digital wrench.

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Could bring donuts to your local Vic mechanic, tell him what you're doing and see if he can help. He has access to a digital wrench.
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Could bring donuts to your local Vic mechanic, tell him what you're doing and see if he can help. He has access to a digital wrench.
Alright then i wont be buying a digital wrench just to check base ignition timing. I would rather guess until i get it running!

I have a couple different ghetto ideas to check it. both involve pulling a plug out and finding TDC on the compression stroke.

First idea is if there is a gear that is 1:1 to the primary sprocket (i read 5th gear is 1:1 itself but still unsure if there is another reduction before or after). Put a paint mark on the sprocket and something stationary to mark TDC. remove the drive belt. Using a timing light hook it to the cylinder that you checked TDC on, shift the bike to the 1:1 gear and let the primary sprocket spin. Check the the timing with the light just as you would on a car.

Next idea is using the flywheel behind the starter... you would start the bike then remove the starter while its running... Im waiting for someone to tell me that oil will come blasting out if i do that though.

This is kind of a lot of work just for base timing that will get the bike to "run" ... still going to be shooting in the dark with the rest of the RPM/load range.
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