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Just did my 500 mile service at the house, well 443 mile service. I didn't break my CCT in like I did the KP. I rode the KP hard because I felt comfortable on it. I've not rode the CC hard mainly because I'm trying to get use to all the added weight and different handling. Don't feel very confident yet. (I don't believe one method of breaking in a bike is better for the engine than another method)

Anyway, I'm pretty pleased with the break in. Engine sounds good, not as loud of a tapping sound as the KP. From what I gather it's just luck of the draw, some are just louder than others. The oil looked good, smelled good, felt good and tasted good. Wait...never mind, I didn't taste it. Just looking at and smelling the oil won't tell you much. The real test is in the compression. I got 225 on the front and 220 on the rear. I've not done numerous compression tests on various Victory bikes at 500 miles to see where that stacks up but according to the service manual, 210-225 is the range you want to be in. I'm at the top of the range so compression is real good which equates to power. Everything seems right, wheel alignment, belt alignment, throttle and lever play is right. Spark plugs were a bit on the lean side but that's exactly where the EPA had Ma Vic tune the bikes too so its right on par. Looks like this is going to be a real good bike.

The service is real easy to do, when you look at the list of what the dealer is SUPPOSE to do, it's really not complicated. I wonder if they even do things like check compression and plugs or if they just change the oil and take your money. My dealer knows I'm a mechanic and they know I do all of my own work and they have no problem with that. Sure they would prefer to have my money but they have no issues with doing warranty work on my bikes even though I'm the one doing all the servicing. They even mentioned how well my KP was maintained when I traded it in.

Now on to the power. Just got home from a post service ride that put me at about 550 miles. I didn't hit the limiter but did get to 4,500 rpms and my assumption was right. This has been talked about on the forum many times. KP vs CC. Many have said the KP has a HAIR more power or that the KP MAY be a bit faster. Are ya kidding me? A hair? May be faster? The KP is by far a lot faster. It accelerates much much faster, pulls harder, runs through the rpms faster. The KP flat out pulled me back when I hammered it. MY CCT when I hammered it I'm like "really, is this it?" My KP would pull the front wheel off the ground, I can do it on command. No kidding. The CCT...not a chance. I'm not saying the KP is a better bike, just that you really cant compare the power between the two because it's really not even close. The CCT is much more comfortable, more luxurious, more features, more accommodating for longer trips (which I like long trips). I'm pleased with the purchase, I love the new bike, the wife ABSOULUTELY LOVES the new bike (that's important) but I think I'm going to have to do something about the power. I don't want to get wild but I want that acceleration back. I'm hoping just an ATS, PCV and filter will do the trick. I'd like to leave everything else stock, including the exhaust IF I can (I know, the exhaust will rob power). I really like being able to rock out with the stereo without exhaust drowning out the tunes.

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The real test is in the compression. I got 125 on the front and 120 on the rear. I've not done numerous compression tests on various Victory bikes at 500 miles to see where that stacks up but according to the service manual, 210-225 is the range you want to be in. I'm at the top of the range so compression is real good which equates to power.


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Just did my 500 mile service at the house, well 443 mile service. I didn't break my CCT in like I did the KP. I rode the KP hard because I felt comfortable on it. I've not rode the CC hard mainly because I'm trying to get use to all the added weight and different handling. Don't feel very confident yet. (I don't believe one method of breaking in a bike is better for the engine than another method)

Anyway, I'm pretty pleased with the break in. Engine sounds good, not as loud of a tapping sound as the KP. From what I gather it's just luck of the draw, some are just louder than others. The oil looked good, smelled good, felt good and tasted good. Wait...never mind, I didn't taste it. Just looking at and smelling the oil won't tell you much. The real test is in the compression. I got 125 on the front and 120 on the rear. I've not done numerous compression tests on various Victory bikes at 500 miles to see where that stacks up but according to the service manual, 210-225 is the range you want to be in. I'm at the top of the range so compression is real good which equates to power. Everything seems right, wheel alignment, belt alignment, throttle and lever play is right. Spark plugs were a bit on the lean side but that's exactly where the EPA had Ma Vic tune the bikes too so its right on par. Looks like this is going to be a real good bike.

The service is real easy to do, when you look at the list of what the dealer is SUPPOSE to do, it's really not complicated. I wonder if they even do things like check compression and plugs or if they just change the oil and take your money. My dealer knows I'm a mechanic and they know I do all of my own work and they have no problem with that. Sure they would prefer to have my money but they have no issues with doing warranty work on my bikes even though I'm the one doing all the servicing. They even mentioned how well my KP was maintained when I traded it in.

Now on to the power. Just got home from a post service ride that put me at about 550 miles. I didn't hit the limiter but did get to 4,500 rpms and my assumption was right. This has been talked about on the forum many times. KP vs CC. Many have said the KP has a HAIR more power or that the KP MAY be a bit faster. Are ya kidding me? A hair? May be faster? The KP is by far a lot faster. It accelerates much much faster, pulls harder, runs through the rpms faster. The KP flat out pulled me back when I hammered it. MY CCT when I hammered it I'm like "really, is this it?" My KP would pull the front wheel off the ground, I can do it on command. No kidding. The CCT...not a chance. I'm not saying the KP is a better bike, just that you really cant compare the power between the two because it's really not even close. The CCT is much more comfortable, more luxurious, more features, more accommodating for longer trips (which I like long trips). I'm pleased with the purchase, I love the new bike, the wife ABSOULUTELY LOVES the new bike (that's important) but I think I'm going to have to do something about the power. I don't want to get wild but I want that acceleration back. I'm hoping just an ATS, PCV and filter will do the trick. I'd like to leave everything else stock, including the exhaust IF I can (I know, the exhaust will rob power). I really like being able to rock out with the stereo without exhaust drowning out the tunes.
I think the intake robs more power than the exhaust on our bikes. Cutting down the intake baffling and change to a freer flowing filter provided the most visceral boost to the bike IMO. But your CCT weighs a couple hundred pounds more than the KP and has a milder cam. No shakey shakey at stops with the touring bikes, but conversely, no winy winy in a contest of speed.

Should you open up the intake yourself or buy a Lloyd's filter, you will also get more noise. I imagine that's why Vic put it there to begin with. To give touring people a quiet, comfortable touring experience ala a Gold Wing. Personally, the noise doesn't bother me, but I don't try to listen to remote stereo speakers over it either.




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The real test is in the compression. I got 125 on the front and 120 on the rear. I've not done numerous compression tests on various Victory bikes at 500 miles to see where that stacks up but according to the service manual, 210-225 is the range you want to be in. I'm at the top of the range so compression is real good which equates to power.

oops 225 front and 220 rear. I'm sure you figured that though

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Quitcherbitchin. You just gained 200 + pounds and a barn door to push down the road. 500 mile "break in" is just a reason to get the bike in the shop. Probably needs an oil change, and all the adjustments checked in to but is far from being broke in. 5K or more, it will settle, 10K it should be there. The 106 has the longest and most dramatic break in I have personally seen.

It will get better, but don't compare it to something that it just isn't.

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Quitcherbitchin. You just gained 200 + pounds and a barn door to push down the road. 500 mile "break in" is just a reason to get the bike in the shop. Probably needs an oil change, and all the adjustments checked in to but is far from being broke in. 5K or more, it will settle, 10K it should be there. The 106 has the longest and most dramatic break in I have personally seen.

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You see that was my point, I wasn't really comparing it to what it's not, many others on here were. Search all the threads with "KP vs CC" and read the comments. You'll see why I made the statements. They said power wasn't much different, I was clarifying, since in the last month I've owned a '12 KP and a '14 CCT that there is a huge difference. Just saying that they're not even close. But it's more than just 200 lbs being the difference. The difference must be with cam and tune. I've had a pretty large rider on the KP and she still pulled much harder so it's more than just a weight difference.

I know how long it takes to really break the engine in. Not my first bike nor my first Vic

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My 2012 XCT has the Lloydz ATS set at +4, Victory Stage 1 mufflers and ECU flash, O2 sensors unplugged and Lloydz air filter. I would never expect to lift the front off the ground, with that fairing on it, but I do often accidentally spin the rear wheel just a little. I think that's pretty good low-end power for a touring bike.

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wait till you get to 1500 miles and you feel more power.
Dealer 500 check up they check your clutch to see if adjusted right they check your throttle cables. They look at belt and run away. Change the oil LUBE the clutch lever we hope. Kick the tires and hold there hand out for that large stack of bills you give them.
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My 2012 XCT has the Lloydz ATS set at +4, Victory Stage 1 mufflers and ECU flash, O2 sensors unplugged and Lloydz air filter. I would never expect to lift the front off the ground, with that fairing on it, but I do often accidentally spin the rear wheel just a little. I think that's pretty good low-end power for a touring bike.
Sounds like it runs pretty good.........

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My 2012 XCT has the Lloydz ATS set at +4, Victory Stage 1 mufflers and ECU flash, O2 sensors unplugged and Lloydz air filter. I would never expect to lift the front off the ground, with that fairing on it, but I do often accidentally spin the rear wheel just a little. I think that's pretty good low-end power for a touring bike.
Good enough for me! I don't have to lift the front end...that was just an unexpected bonus on the KP. I just want some hard acceleration. It don't even have to be as hard of a pull as the KP had just a decent pull would make me happy.

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