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how many of you are subtracting timing with your pcv ? is it working correctly? im going back to. 8 on my wheel and plan to take 1-2 degrees out with pcv at about 60% throttle and 2750 rpms. i was getting a ping at that point at 8, so i dropped back to 6, but did notice a drop in low end at 6 vs 8.


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How can you judge +8 or +6 by the seat of your pants.

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i can feel a loss at low rpms, throttle response, slow turns etc are better at 8 then 6. i ran it at 8 for all last summer and a little this spring, dropped to 6 and could tell right away.


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Cheese and crackers. Mine would not even run without pining at 4. I have no idea how you can run 6 or 8. Rylan set it at 2 when he done the cams and tuned it. I still can only run 91 or higher octane.


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what bike do you have ? and cams may effect it also. the cross bikes seem to be able to take more timing then the others.


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I have a Vision with the stage 1 download. I think the stage 1 might add more timing. I thought maybe when the PCV and cams were installed he would raise the timing up to 4 before he tuned it. I told him I ride to Florida twice a year . I already had problems with pining at sea level so he left it at 2 to be safe.


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how many of you are subtracting timing with your pcv ? is it working correctly? im going back to. 8 on my wheel and plan to take 1-2 degrees out with pcv at about 60% throttle and 2750 rpms. i was getting a ping at that point at 8, so i dropped back to 6, but did notice a drop in low end at 6 vs 8.


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I just received my my Lloydz timing wheel and there is a "caution" informing the using to be aware of the total timing when using a PCV & Timing wheel. My question is will this apply to me, I have the Victory stage 1 set-up, victory tri-ovals, filter & map or recalibration ? I know I don't have the pcv but I'm thinking the recal that was done might serve the same purpose as the pcv in regards to the setting?

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put it in at 4 like it comes and go from there, stage one tune may advance the timing so start with 4. the deal with pcv and wheel is the pcv can add or subract timing. so if someone has a pcv and has timing added and adds the wheel they need to be aware of where there timing will be. timing wheel adds timing from idle to full throttle, pcv adds timing from 2500 up.


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I just received my my Lloydz timing wheel and there is a "caution" informing the using to be aware of the total timing when using a PCV & Timing wheel. My question is will this apply to me, I have the Victory stage 1 set-up, victory tri-ovals, filter & map or recalibration ? I know I don't have the pcv but I'm thinking the recal that was done might serve the same purpose as the pcv in regards to the setting?
What do you mean "recall" the motors that Vic had to fix had nothing to do with any fuel or performance.

Stage 1 will add about 2 degrees to timing and make it richer by 1/10 of percent.
So start out at +4 and see what you feel keep track of your mileage using your phone to do the math. The gauge will only give you estimated mileage

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What do you mean "recall" the motors that Vic had to fix had nothing to do with any fuel or performance.

Stage 1 will add about 2 degrees to timing and make it richer by 1/10 of percent.
So start out at +4 and see what you feel keep track of your mileage using your phone to do the math. The gauge will only give you estimated mileage
"recall" = recalibration. That's my attempt at using short hand typing.

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