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I have an apt July 25 with Lloydz to get some VM1-DR cams installed in my 13 Hammer. I have now seen some posts where guys have installed the VM1-HPT-DR cams on the Touring bikes and the gains are huge. Granted you need to modify the cam carriers at an extra cost.

Why are these cams not recomended for the cruisers?

I'm all about the extra power-even at the extra cost.

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I have an apt July 25 with Lloydz to get some VM1-DR cams installed in my 13 Hammer. I have now seen some posts where guys have installed the VM1-HPT-DR cams on the Touring bikes and the gains are huge. Granted you need to modify the cam carriers at an extra cost.

Why are these cams not recomended for the cruisers?

I'm all about the extra power-even at the extra cost.
Who said they aren't recommended for cruisers? The reality is that many recommend against them for most RIDERS. It has nothing to do with the bike itself. It is law of diminishing returns. You can install the VM1's for X or you can install the HPTs for X + 1/2X additional. However, you only get 15% (or so) more performance out of them and that performance is at the higher range of the RPM scale where few riders actually run their bikes so for the majority of riders, the standard VM1s do a great job at a great price. But I am like you and will probably go for the HPTs as well simply so that I can have the highest HP when I go against the other bikes at the Dyno "power" contests that they have around here at a few of the bike events/shows.




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Who said they aren't recommended for cruisers? The reality is that many recommend against them for most RIDERS. It has nothing to do with the bike itself. It is law of diminishing returns. You can install the VM1's for X or you can install the HPTs for X + 1/2X additional. However, you only get 15% (or so) more performance out of them and tht performance is at the higher rane of the RPM scale where few riders actually run their bikes so for the majority of riders, the standard VM1s do a great job at a great price. But I am like you and will probably go for the HPTs as well simply so that I can have the highest HP when I go against the other bikes at the Dyno "power" contests that they have around here at a few of the bike events/shows.
I want to drag my bike as much as possible-so revving it doesn't seem such a bad idea to me. I figure these cams and a underdrive pulley would make for a potent combo.

For me the big already has plenty of torque-just seems to run out of jam too early. And too much torque will just make the bike harder to launch.

I'm going to call Lloydz and talk to Danny on Monday and see what they suggest.

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I want to drag my bike as much as possible-so revving it doesn't seem such a bad idea to me. I figure these cams and a underdrive pulley would make for a potent combo.

For me the big already has plenty of torque-just seems to run out of jam too early. And too much torque will just make the bike harder to launch.

I'm going to call Lloydz and talk to Danny on Monday and see what they suggest.
What is too much torque ???
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But I am like you and will probably go for the HPTs as well simply so that I can have the highest HP when I go against the other bikes at the Dyno "power" contests
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Enough that it overcomes a tire's ability put it to use in propelling the bike forward at ever increasing velocities.




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Enough that it overcomes a tire's ability put it to use in propelling the bike forward at ever increasing velocities.
Uh...yea , thanks.....

My point was that you will not get 'too much torque' from either version of the Lloydz cams.....

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What is too much torque ???

Those are beautiful curves for sure.

I remember reading a post from half crazy where he stated the bigger cube motor raised his 60 fts from 1.6 to mid 1.7's due to the extra torque and wheel spin.

From my experience in drag racing-too much torque makes it harder to launch. I have enough torque now-but an extra 30 horse would be awesome! Seems like the touring cams are making almost 15 rwhp more than just the DR cams.

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Those are beautiful curves for sure.

I remember reading a post from half crazy where he stated the bigger cube motor raised his 60 fts from 1.6 to mid 1.7's due to the extra torque and wheel spin.

From my experience in drag racing-too much torque makes it harder to launch. I have enough torque now-but an extra 30 horse would be awesome! Seems like the touring cams are making almost 15 rwhp more than just the DR cams.

Thai is just a wild guess, but if you did get the HPT, I think, you'd see much better gains than a touring bike due to your TT intake. steel frame bikes already make more with the DR cams, but the HPT allow a lot more on the top end.

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Actually the Touring cams will not make as much usable power in a steel frame bike as they will in the cast frame bikes. I can't even say that they would make more high-end HP.

Here is an engine that we did a couple of years ago. Red is the Touring cam, blue is the 495 cam. I think this was a 109, or 116 big bore Kingpin. Anyway, as they always say, don't go too big with the cam, pick the right cam for the combination.

If you are bringing your bike to Lloyd I'm sure he'll talk you into the RIGHT cam for your combination. For a stock motor 09+ bike the VM1 IMHO is the best for a 106".
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