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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 08-06-2014, 03:55 PM Thread Starter
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I did a search and found one thread of a guy on a Hammer that had this happen. It caused him to dump it because he tried to start it when it indicated it was in neutral but it wasn't. I am seeing this on my Vision. It has done it 3 or 4 times now. I am not sure if it would try to start or not, haven't had that happen yet.

Today as I was leaving a parking lot I realized I had not tuned on my Sena. So I stopped the bike put it in neutral, both indicators showed it was in Neutral had the little N and the big N, but when I let out the clutch it lurched and died.

Should I have this looked at or is this a common thing with these bikes? It's still under warranty, but if I take it to the dealer I am sure they are going to tell me they could not duplicate.

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I'm become real careful when I dump the clutch in neutral. I've never had the false neutral issue but I have released the clutch too quickly thinking it was in neutral. It was in first and luckily I had a tight hold on the brake!

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It's probably a very good idea to check if it's really in Neutral. I hardly ever do and I've been lucky so far. I shall check more thoroughly from now on.



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I really dislike how noisy this power plant is, so I decided to try VR1 20W50. The result was a noticeably quieter engine and transmission. The downside was missed shifts, false neutrals and difficulty hitting neutral.

I went back to my favorite oil and the bike returned to normal. Might not have anything to do with your issue but something to consider.



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That's a different definition of false neutral than usual. Typically false neutral describes missing a gear and ending up in "neutral" between two gears because nothing engaged fully. The result is no power delivered to the wheel. In your case it sounds like a fault in the neutral switch circuit and is probably something you should look into. Seems like something is causing the switch to close (open? I don't have a wiring diagram in front of me) when it shouldn't be.

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That's a different definition of false neutral than usual. Typically false neutral describes missing a gear and ending up in "neutral" between two gears because nothing engaged fully. The result is no power delivered to the wheel. In your case it sounds like a fault in the neutral switch circuit and is probably something you should look into. Seems like something is causing the switch to close (open? I don't have a wiring diagram in front of me) when it shouldn't be.

I guess I should read the entire post, my bad



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I actually had it happen ONCE on my 2000 mile trip this past week. I didn't think much of it at the time, but it did make me look a little stupid since it was at a busy 4 way light in downtown Sturgis...

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I suggest before going to neutral that you give it a little gas with the clutch engaged and then slowly release to see if you are actually there.

Now, I love the ease of shifting my new to me vegas but these bikes need a neutral assist because finding it sucks. I've tried downshifting to 2nd, stopping, barely touching lever down, and she lights up. This much easier than going to first and then searching for it.

Forget finding it if I stop on a slight hill. I just shut it down and remember to crank it with clutch engaged.
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My XCT has a neutral assist. The only downside top it is it's very hard to pop-start if need be.



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I suggest before going to neutral that you give it a little gas with the clutch engaged and then slowly release to see if you are actually there.
Easy to do when you are not in a hurry. But try the scenario where you have a wasp inside your shirt and you are quickly trying to get into neutral to get the wasp out of your shirt...
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