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Hey guys, had my 2009 Jackpot tuned and these are the results. Almost 100 hp and almost 120ftlb torque. The upgrades that were made before the tune was, Power Commmander V, Swept Pipes,which I hate, and the LLoydz air cleaner. Attached is the dyno sheet.

How do you think I faired?

Also, I hate the Swept pipes, Im selling them and getting the Hacker Zoomies. Does anybody think that should be an improvement over what I have?

I will post the next tune with the Zoomies when I get it done.
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Almost anything would be an improvement over the Swept pipes...
Your dyno results seem extremely high for what you have.

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Almost anything would be an improvement over the Swept pipes...
Your dyno results seem extremely high for what you have.
I thought they may be high too. However, I am not complaining. After they tuned it, there was no comparison to what it was. Unbelievable difference. Guess I will find out when I get it tuned with the Hacker Zoomies on it. Hopefully, it will be even higher.
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I thought they may be high too. However, I am not complaining. After they tuned it, there was no comparison to what it was. Unbelievable difference. Guess I will find out when I get it tuned with the Hacker Zoomies on it. Hopefully, it will be even higher.
I sure would like to see the before and after graphs. Not to burst your bubble, but if I had to guess, I'd say that dyno is rather optimistic.

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You need more compression, more cubes, and bigger cams to come close to pulling 120 ft/lbs...of torque..sorry but it looks like the dyno operator is playing games...

about 2 months ago a cycle mag had a story of how easy it is for operarations to show huge gains with a click of a mouse and zero tuning.

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Aren't there several different graphing options on dyno's (SAE, Normalized, etc.)?? SAE is the one most typically used, but I know there are other more optimistic graphing/measurement options, right?

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Aren't there several different graphing options on dyno's (SAE, Normalized, etc.)?? SAE is the one most typically used, but I know there are other more optimistic graphing/measurement options, right?
Not completely sure. your probably right. They use the one that shows the biggest improvement even though you probably dont get those gains. Shady if you ask me. However, I hope mine is accurate, I will find out after I add the Hacker pipes. I live in a different state now and am not close to a victory shop. Got to take it to a harley dealer to get it tuned. They will definatley give me the least attractive results.
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[Yes there are several different "standards" depending on where in the world you are, the variance is about 2% depending if you use SAE or another.

IMHO after looking at the dyno chart, it is my belief that the operator converted rwhp/rwtq numbers into engine/flywheel numbers. It is legit and many engine builders/tuners do this the one that comes to mind is Lingenfelter Performance Engineering. If one goes to their site they show "engine" packages for corvettes that show the flywheel HP which is an elevated number by upwards of 20% vs true rear wheel numbers.

My suggestion is you get in touch with the dyno person/shop and tell him you want him to email you "your" printout showing true rear wheel numbers and not engine/flywheel. I believe he will say no problem (as long as he saved your data, most dyno operators do) and email it....sit down when you get the new chart as it will be 15-20% lower due to frictional drag




QUOTE=domjaun;65424]Not completely sure. your probably right. They use the one that shows the biggest improvement even though you probably dont get those gains. Shady if you ask me. However, I hope mine is accurate, I will find out after I add the Hacker pipes. I live in a different state now and am not close to a victory shop. Got to take it to a harley dealer to get it tuned. They will definatley give me the least attractive results.[/QUOTE]

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2008 Yamaha Wr250x
2009 Kawasaki 650R
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2007 KTM 950 SM

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My suggestion is you get in touch with the dyno person/shop and tell him you want him to email you "your" printout showing true rear wheel numbers and not engine/flywheel. I believe he will say no problem (as long as he saved your data, most dyno operators do) and email it....sit down when you get the new chart as it will be 15-20% lower due to frictional drag
Actually, that's a REALLY good point. Especially if you're going to get another dyno run from someone different after you add different pipes. You don't want to be comparing apples and oranges.

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If that combination made an honest 90 horses (SAE corrected) I'd be surprised.

This is a 2009 106" with Shotgun pipes and a Lloydz airbox (from Lloydz website). Your results should be similar. This is on a Dynojet machine SAE corrected/smoothing 4 out of 5:


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